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Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 12:11

PC may have an informed view on this, but I always believed it was`political`.

I watched a programme on Ch 4 last night (i'd read articles about so called global warming before) & it seemed to confirm what I always believed.:-)
IT'S ALL BLOX!

Greenhouse gasses do NOT create warming-FACT,they are a consequence of warming.

ALL man made CO2 is less than 0.5% of what is produced naturally.

The earth has been much warmer over the past few thousand years.....& Polar bears survived.B-] The Arctic ice caps survived too. The Arctic is NOT any warmer now than in the past.

Global warming is more closely related to what The Sun does & any global warming is governed by sea temperature, the warmer the sea,the more gasses.......which takes several hundred years to take effect.
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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: razo (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 12:17

The more I have read, the more sceptical I have become. Tend to agree with you.





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: CheshireExile (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 12:47

An outbreak of commonsense.

Actually, I think global warming may be occuring, but it is probably not a consequence of human activities at all and any attempt to mitigate its effects is pure folly.

There is so much blox talked about it though. These electric/hybrid cars for instance. Use of such vehicles does precisely nothing in terms of "carbon emissions". The electricity has to come from somewhere after all- usually by burning fossil fuels. Pollution in cities is reduced by using these cars, but that has absolutely nothing to do with "carbon emissions" and global warming. And what about those bloody silly wind turbines that don't do much in the way of generating electricity, cost a fortune to make and cause such hideous blots on the landscape? Cliviger Moor has been utterly disfigured.

Because we live in a secular age the environmentalist/green motivated New Puritanism has become a sort of replacement religion. Very few of us go to church anymore, but the world's bossyboots need a cause so they can be holier-than-thou.

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 12:51

And isn't it odd how any proposals by Government to mitigate the effects of 'global warming' always involves yet more money being deposited in the Chancellor's coffers.;-)

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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: PlymouthClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 12:52

While I've yet to meet anyone who has actually said that we aren't having an effect, they all have suggested what that documentary was saying but a lot of the research on the programme is what I and probably most of us have come across before.

However, not sure if this comes across namby pamby but even if we aren't to blame for CO2 increases, it shouldn't mean that its OK to put out harmful pollutants which are of detriment to our health and the environment or continue to rip down rainforests etc. It might not warm up the earth but it's by no means good for the earth. It's a good point about how multinationals may be using this global warming as an excuse for making money once the oil runs out. We could still continue to be dependant on this without worrying to much about global warming but then the much bigger problem will be what happens when it does run it, and that'd be much much worse than what some scientists suggest will happen with global warming.

Maybe global warming is just one way of hiding this fact.

There's a whole bigger picture out there and if we are sensible about how the sun is to blame, there are still other more important problems to be addressed IMO.

I thought the documentary last night was one of the most interesting I've seen in a long time.





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: kata (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 13:27

Tend to agree with this, there is no doubt that emissions are bad for our health (well now I see it from my perspective) BUT hasnt global change happened through time immemorial?

Climatic change has always occured we have had the ice age and also a catastrophic event leading to dinosaur extinction, deserts being formed even now and archeologists finding sand blasts in digs where there is now lush vegetation.
It is man trying to explain events beyond his own understanding, and like everything else, has to put a human emphasis on it to make it either understandable or rational..........(whilst trying to raise a few bob out of the hysteria surrounding it)





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 14:59

The point is though, Global warming has nowt to do with man!
It's part of a natural cycle that's been happening for eons. It's only since 1975 (when we were in a cold era anyroad)that the temperature has started to rise again.

ALL this talk about`carbon`as though it's bad or in some way poisonous,is rubbish......it's harmless,WE are made of it.

Preserving the rain forests etc should be common sense....but it isn't the same issue.
Developing countries are being told they shouldn't be using their own resources,because of global warming,when it simply isn't true.

What exactly are the extra taxes for? what is this new`pay for your carbon footprint-offset`thingy about? Where is all this money going?
If it ALL goes to planting trees,GREAT,but it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the temperatures.

We ara all being conned by politicians....& paying extra for it.sad smiley





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: kata (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 15:29

hear hear!! totally agree TC

I vote TC for Prime ministerB-]





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 15:34

yawning smileyDyawning smileyDyawning smileyD If I was PM there would be BIG changes.;-)

I'm getting a bigger engine next time I change mi car too.:-DB-]





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Sandbach Claret (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 16:23

TC - why not make it 2 Jags

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2007 16:39

Sc,I would if I could afford em.:-D


Also in the programme last night they mentioned the rising sea levels. Again these fluctuate naturally,but the biggest thing about this issue is...THE LAND, rising or falling. Again nowt to do with`global warming`:-!





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2007 11:14

PHILIP STOTT, Professor of Biogeography at the University of London, believes global warming is just another political bandwagon:

Climate is chaos. It is the most complex system, driven by volcanoes, the oceans, clouds, a wobbly Earth, a pulsing sun, and cosmic rays from exploding stars. Dealing with one factor at the margins - human emissions of carbon dioxide - is utterly pointless. Climate is change. It has flipped between hot and cold, dry and wet for 4.5 billion years. LINK-



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: coolsimib (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2007 11:21

I feel i need to add my bit as a geography undergraduate, firstly to chesire exile the electric cars do reduce co2 emissions as the electricity comes from using the movement of the wheels either when it is in petrol mode or free wheeling downhill to act as a dynamo to produce the electricity, not from the burning of fossil fuels. Secondly tho global warming is happening however we are not causing it, it has happened many times over billions of years. It can be seen that there are glacial periods and interglacial periods in history, in other words times when its an ice age then times when it gets warm. These run in a pattern and at the moment we are in are approaching a peak of an interglacial, simple as that the warming up is natural. Ofcourse there are many theories and no can really be proved or disproved but this is my educated view

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: kata (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2007 20:38

seems both you and Philip stott agree coolsmib...........along with the rest of us here.
I certainly hold the same philosophy as mentioned above, and certainly feel the tory air tax proposition a totally hypocritical proposal, given that they will certainly breach their own policies time and time again if they get into power, and at the cost to the average man too!





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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: jack miggins (IP Logged)
Date: 13 March, 2007 01:36

Twenty years ago the Greens were regarded as pariahs by virtually all politicians. They then discovered that you can legitimately reap massive tax income from 'unhealthy' products. The present situation is an extension of this - only now it is our Worlds' health that they fret over.

Add this to the very real problem that the fossil fuel reserves seem to be located in the wrong parts of the Earth's crust et voila - a politicians & bankers paradise - where they can be seen as the visionary messiahs to lead us through the impending doom.

We are entering the most politically unstable period that mankind has ever faced (sorry to be dramatic). Do we honestly believe that the government (or rather the 1% that actually run this country) are overly concerned with the health of the plebs or our planet? Are we really fighting terrorism in Iraq & Afghanistan? Would the bankers allow our PM to enter into such a profitless act? or are we really stating a territorial claim to the oil fields that we can reasonably secure from the Russians?

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2008 21:01

Just a quick update.

Arctic ice levels which had shrunk from 13 million sq km in January 2007 to just 4 million in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Also,figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2008 21:17

Ah but TC, th'experts will tell you - thats a bizarre side effect of global warming

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: fred dibnah (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2008 21:25

By heck TC, you're digging out some threads tonight!
You a bit bored like ? (Sm14)

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2008 23:24

There was a report in The Times last week about the MOD lodging objections to proposals to site windfarms off the east coast of England.

Recent trials have discovered that the turbines create holes in radar coverage making it impossible to detect approaching aircraft and now the MOD are objecting to any proposed turbines in line of sight of it's radar stations.

The most significant part of the report imo was this:-

"The change of policy has prompted fury among developers, who had previously been told that there were no defence implications. They have now written a letter of protest to Energy Secretary Mr. Hutton and Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, pointing out that millions of pounds of investment are at risk ."

And there you have a rare glimpse of the renewable energy scam fully exposed to public view. The developers are furious, not with concern for the integrity of our defence systems, not with concern even for the environment, just about the money, it's all about making money.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: theultimatewarrior (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2008 23:36

It was bloody nippy when i nipped out for a pint of milk a while ago and who can forget last Summer?

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