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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: CheshireExile (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 11:06

It's beginning to look more and more like a scam every day, especially after "Climategate" and a similar effort by NASA scientists to obscure and alter their data- they had another look and decided that 1934 was "the warmest year on record" which didn't fit in with the agenda, so had yet another go and came up with 1998. Now they're refusing FOI requests in America to explain how & why they felt obliged to alter their findings.

Now I don't want to go all "X Files" on you and to sound as though I'm sat in my attic wearing a Bacofoil hat with the telly turned off to avoid thought transference- but something is going on.

My theory is that "man-made global warming" ticks a lot of boxes; we live in a secular age, and it fills the gap left by religion which was previously occupied by Communism. The revolutions of 1989 onwards showed the true face of Communism/state Socialism, and so a lot of the hard Left have moved to the Green parties of Europe- they're "watermelons", green on the outside and red on the inside. They're the priests of the new Green religion. The new religion caters for a lot of Western liberal guilt- exploitation of the Third World, despoiling of the environment, the nasty consequences of free-market capitalism etc etc. Salve your conscience and save the planet at the same time, and the Green priests get to fulfil all their nasty Stasi control-freak impulses by stringent taxation and restraint on trade and free movement. Anyone who complains is a heretic or a denier who cannot be tolerated for the Green way is the virtuous way. People can be gullible; anybody see the hysterical woman on Question Time last week who had a go at Melanie Phillips? The Cumbrian floods were proof of GW, as opposed to deforestation, complete lack of spending on preventative flood measures by the NRA and building on fields which previously soaked up water from run-off from the mountain. Not GW at all, just some bad weather and poor decision making.

At the same time this stuff appeals to big business; "cap and trade" is going to be big, really big and some stand to make billions from it. Lakshmi Mittal has been given a massive excess of carbon credits which he'll be able to trade once the carbon futures market is up and running. The Danes have already been caught fiddling their own market. The Green envangelist Al Gore also stands to make billions from a cap-and-trade scheme devised by Kenneth Lay, the man behind the Enron fraud.

In the meantime, Rompuy, our new unelected "president" has addressed The Bilderberg Group about the need for European-wide welfare funded by a European "Green" tax.

All this stuff is out there- it's all from the mainstream media (the last paragraph is from The Timesfor instance- just Google it if you don't believe me).

So what you've got is an extremely dodgy hypothesis which does not represent a scientific consensus at all being hysterically promoted by a bunch of fakes, hypocrites and liars, and which could lead to measures which if implemented in full will ruin the economies of Europe and the US and restrict fundamental freedoms in a way that will make the former East Germany look like Butlin's. You think we live in a nanny state now? This is just the beginning- just wait and see if the Green @#$%& get a grip on power because you've seen nothing yet.

In the meantime, for a bit of light relief, here's the horrible Gore getting punked by a Congressional committee-

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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 14:39

This is from the Daily Telegraph just after the Cumbrian floods, by their environment correspondent Geoffrey Lean.

"Cumbria floods: there's more where that came from
The flooding in Cumbria is part of a pattern of weather which shows that global warming is occurring faster than anyone expected, says Geoffrey Lean."

Published: 6:29PM GMT 20 Nov 2009

"It seems unfair, if you are already officially the wettest place in Britain, to be dowsed with the most rainfall ever to fall over 24 hours. But that's what has just happened to the hamlet of Seathwaite, in Cumbria's Borrowdale, where, incredibly, over a foot of water bucketed down between 9pm on Wednesday and the same time on Thursday.

If it's any consolation, it may have to give up the distinction before long. For such torrential downpours are happening more and more often in Britain as global warming takes hold. Research at Newcastle University has established that rainstorms have got twice as intense over the last 40 years, while the Environment Agency predicts that days of heavy rainfall will become three to four times more common over the next decades, increasing flooding tenfold.

The deadly 'forests’ without trees Three factors cause heavier storms as the climate heats up. As it gets hotter, more energy is injected into the climate. There is a sharper contrast between land and the sea (which warms more slowly), causing stronger winds and greater instability. And as the seas do heat, more water evaporates from them – and comes down as heavier rain.

But experts are surprised it is happening so soon. The Newcastle team said that predictions of the effects of climate change had suggested it would not reach this stage until the end of the century – one more piece of evidence that global warming is occurring faster than anyone expected."


Yes, one of the green Thought Police would say that wouldn't he ?

Seems to me though that if something is happening 90 years earlier than the scientists said it would then that's one more piece of evidence that the scientists producing these doom-laden reports really don't know what they're talking about.

We had one dodgy dossier to justify the Iraq war, now we're being fed another one to justify us being taxed dry in order to 'save the world'. Just another scam.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: CheshireExile (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 15:09

It gets better.

"Climate change deniers", or at least the professional ones, are often accused of "being in the pay of the big oil companies", right?

Wrong again. This post on BBC environment correspondent Richard Black's blog shows that it is the oil companies themselves who are pushing for the "cap and trade" system which is being hyped by Al Gore etc. (Scroll down to comment 135 and follow the hyperlinks).

We've just seen the world's economy trashed by futures traders dealing in mortgages that were bound to fail, now they want to do it all over again using an even dodgier commodity.

Black even has the cheek to ask that comments don't mention "ClimateGate". I've left a comment saying that as a taxpayer I pay this fella's wages and I'll say what I like.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Brian O'Neil (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 16:22

What you write CE adds detail to the motivation which I referred to. The demon we are fighting has grown exponentially on a diet of greed and ideology. When I say I agree with some groups I should clarify that to say better and less wasteful use of resources otherwise it will lead to a more miserable existence for the majority global warming or not. This banding together and use of spurious information to further their causes will destroy them and their aims, they are but minnows and pawns in this game as they will soon find out.Freedom,democracy, it is disappearing before your very eyes.

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Brian O'Neil (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 16:48

One little fly in the ointment of "Copenhagen"If king Canute finds out that this change in climatic conditions is not man made, what then. Cheap talk,carbon trading and incompetent leaders will not buy the time or changes that will be needed to adjust to this new environment. There are hundreds of things if not thousands which we could start doing right now that would benefit us all no matter what the future. The truth is that none of those things are on the agenda of our elite.Planning and dealing with the effects of climate change on our own doorstep would be of great benefit to the majority and therein lies the truth, "Copenhagen" is not about the majority, is it?



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 20:06

That youtube vid speaks volumes CE

I used to think (maybe 3-4 years ago), that the Greens/lefties were the instigators of this myth & the politicians simply jumped on the bandwaggon to gain votes, but I'm now sure it was the reverse & the Greens were duped & are now unable to backtrack & can't even afford to listen to impartial facts.

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From The Times;
The Met Office plans to re-examine 160 years of temperature data.....
The Government is attempting to stop them from carrying out the re-examination, arguing that it would be seized upon by climate change sceptics.
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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: unclegroucho (IP Logged)
Date: 06 December, 2009 22:16

Of course3 it's rubbish...I'm bloody freezin!(Sm24)



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Brian O'Neil (IP Logged)
Date: 07 December, 2009 01:43

ahaaa, mow that is the Gulf stream effect which will make us lucky N'Westerner's immune to the problems of global ***----------------------

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 05 January, 2010 12:45

Global warming? PAH!

Haven't had snow/ice like this for years in UK & we still have 2 months of winter left.
China has had some of the heaviest snow for 50 years, Rajastan in India is very cold.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 05 January, 2010 13:17

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Global warming? PAH!
Haven't had snow/ice like this for years in UK & we still have 2 months of winter left.
China has had some of the heaviest snow for 50 years, Rajastan in India is very cold.

This is only a blip TC, haven't you read the Met Office forecast, overall it's going to be a mild winter.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: ClanClaret (IP Logged)
Date: 05 January, 2010 13:18

the weather folk said we would have a mild winter this winter WRONG They also said we would have a barbecue summer wrong it tured out to be one of the wettest summer's on record. Global warmin my A$$ and evern more so i dow't it, has the major governments have jump on the bloody BAND Wagon(Sm31) (Sm126)(Sm63)



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 00:20

It's all starting to unravel now:-

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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 00:53

they won't give up easily BC - Blair recently had the temerity to say (after climategate) that even if the science was wrong we should still take the planned steps - just in case.

Voodoo Science? To true, but not by all us 'deniers' (and notice the subtlety of the language - it is no longer global warming but 'Climate Change' after the facts started to make the warming argument look thin and now those of us with doubts are deniers, you know like holocaust deniers)

Good science never needs to be 'tweaked', simple as that.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: fulledgelad (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 01:07

Climate change is a regular occurrence..i was taught that at school..is it taboo in schools now?



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 02:02

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they won't give up easily BC

No, in fact they won't give up at all, far too many vested interests, far too much money at stake.

I'm still waiting for someone in government to have the courage to come out and state how much more electricity generated by windpower will cost. They're trying to keep that a very big secret because it will be horrendously expensive and they really daren't come out with the actual figures. They'll only announce it when it's too late to stop the insane schemes and by then all the money will have been made.

This is from a House of Lords Select Committee Report (2008):-

We have a particular concern over the prospective role of wind generated and other intermittent sources of electricity in the UK, in the absence of a break-through in electricity storage technology or the integration of the UK grid with that of continental Europe. Wind generation offers the most readily available short-term enhancement in renewable electricity and its base cost is relatively cheap. Yet the evidence presented to us implies that the full costs of wind generation (allowing for intermittency, back-up conventional plant and grid connection), although declining over time, remain significantly higher than those of conventional or nuclear generation (even before allowing for support costs and the environmental impacts of wind farms). Furthermore, the evidence suggests that the capacity credit of wind power (its probable power output at the time of need) is very low; so it cannot be relied upon to meet peak demand. Thus wind generation needs to be viewed largely as additional capacity to that which will need to be provided, in any event, by more reliable means

Hidden away in there is the fact that the cost will not just be higher but 'significantly' higher, would there be much support for windfarms at all if it was clear that electricity bills will be much higher as a result ? I doubt it very much, electricity is expensive enough as it is.

And to cap it all, at the end they tell you it won't work anyway, it can't supply the required demand and there'll still have to be nuclear and/or coal-powered stations running no matter how many windfarms they construct, so there's no environmental benefit whatsoever.

It's a scam on a gigantic scale and we're all going to have to pay for it in a few years time.



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: soapylily (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 07:51

My son bought me "hot topic by David King and Gabrielle Walker to read at Christmas. It is quite sobering but the way they ruin their scientific argument with emotional language and unsupported opinions is absolutely appalling.

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 10:14

What scientific argument Soap?

There is actually no evidence at all that any change in the worlds climate is man made - in fact there is no evidence that it is anything other than entirely natural, cyclical and unstoppable.

CO2 is a vital gas for plant life and CO2 levels have been considerably higher in the past - oh and man produces a tiny percentage of he CO2 anyway.

The whole thing is a sham built on con with a foundation of lies. What we should be doing is preparing for how we deal with it and survive it rather trying to stop mother nature doing her thang



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 10:58

The bottom line is, there still isn't any proof that the world is actually warming....or that the climate is changing! (beyond natural fluctuation)



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Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 11:00

Keep up TC - it is no longer Global Warming, it's Climate Change - nobody ever said it was 'warming' (Sm14)



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"The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."

Re: Global warming. A myth?
Posted by: The Collector (IP Logged)
Date: 29 January, 2010 11:03

grinning smiley

See what I did there? just the same as the politicians. (Sm85)



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