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Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Viking Tranmere (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 19:04

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Robbie126
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Norwood red card could be blessing in disguise. I'm really starting to think he's part of the problem rather than the solution to our present plight.
Misses too many chances and has other flaws in game.

I'd have started Cook and Alabi.

Whatever the issue is between Mellon and Cook it needs to be sorted. Put egos aside and start Cook for the benefit of the club.

I think Cook & Alabi could be a dream team. Give them a bit of decent service and the goals will pour in. I also think Hughes is part of the problem, no creativity and caught in possession far too often. Norburn, Kirby and Jennings in midfield for me.

Agreed! But Kirby isnt fit so Jay Harris

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Robbie126 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 19:09

Good spot! I meant Harris!

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 19:13

I think Micky's starting lineup dilemma has been clarified today!

Alabi and Cook all day long, Norwood tries very hard but doesn't deliver that game changing moment whereas the other two do.

Another one on one went begging today and that should have well been addressed in the closed season.

Don't get me wrong, Norwood works his socks off, but unless he addressed his ineptitude in front of goal, he may well find himself sitting it out on the bench!

I wasn't there today, but I believe the sending offs were very controversial?

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 20:46

IT was a strange game.Both sendings off where justified but they were also a consequence of a referee who lost control.Too many decisions were made as a reaction to a player going down rather than because of the tackle itself.It led to poor discipline by both sides. There is no excuse however for a player of McNultys experience getting provoked into silly hand bagging.
The spotlight on the officials however should not be used as an excuse for a very mixed performance by Rovers. One game does not tell all but there was absolutely no evidence to suggest that Alabi will offer more than Cooke.He was poor in the air and looked no more mobile than Cook who when he came on showed a fat better use of movement to create space for others.There seems to be an attitude on the Board that no one should ever criticise Mellon but on the evidence of today he needs to find a way of healing the rift between him and Cook for without him it was not obvious where goals would be provided.
Nor urn looked OK at times but the balance of the team just did not look right. Jennings had a good game getting better as the game went on.The same was true for Buxton.Hughes was disappointing,giving the ball away too often.I fear that his game is in permanent decline.
At the end of the first game last season, I really thought that we could do well and we did but only after some important changes.I left this game feeling that we looked ordinary.Oddly we were at our best after the sending offs.Is it possible that with McNulty in the side we play too deep to accommodate his lack of movement?
All the intention will be on the poor officials but the reality is that we will need to be far better if first place is the aim

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: ADD (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 20:47

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pez
I think Micky's starting lineup dilemma has been clarified today!
Alabi and Cook all day long, Norwood tries very hard but doesn't deliver that game changing moment whereas the other two do.

Another one on one went begging today and that should have well been addressed in the closed season.

Don't get me wrong, Norwood works his socks off, but unless he addressed his ineptitude in front of goal, he may well find himself sitting it out on the bench!

I wasn't there today, but I believe the sending offs were very controversial?

I had decided not to post today. ... after all why ruin my evening in Torquay reliving such a horrible 2 hours but before this thread gets too long...
Norwood apoeared to have his elbows up so may well have been genuine sending off.
McNulty having already got booked decided to get into a pushing match on the halfway line in front of the 4th official so a soft sending off but what did he expect??
yes the referee completely lost it with some laughable decisions as did his linesman but we should have risen ahove that.and we did not with our terrible discipline again in full view! Torquay should also have at least one sent off if not 2.
as to our play we were very good for the first 5 minutes and after that average at best.
alabi was not the answer. His first touch was terrible and he showed little. Personally I think MM left him on far too long. Cook offered far more.
McNulty was way off the pace of the game.
Mcelvey looked solid
The saving grace was we looked solid and yes the better side when down to 9 men but we need to wise up quickly as against a very average dirty side we have already dropped 2 points unnecessarily.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: 853OKG (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 20:52

One game . cannot judge purely on that.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 21:02

True one game does not tell you all but those that think Albi with Cook would make a great partnership could not have been drawing the evidence from today's game. Alabi looked very poor albeit that the se vice to him was not great.
I also agree with the posts that question whether McNulty is now part of the problem

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 21:11

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I've just looked at this refs stats. It appears that he refereed no less than FIVE Torquay home games last which I find astounding.

5 torquay home games last season hoots?

Games refereed by Sam Allison in 2016/2017
YEL RED
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 06Aug 2016
Eastleigh 2 - 1 Guiseley
2
NATIONAL LEAGUE Tu 09Aug 2016
Torquay 1 - 0 Bromley
4
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 27Aug 2016
Aldershot 2 - 0 Nth Ferriby
2
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 17Sep 2016
Forest Green 1 - 0 Bromley
3
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 24Sep 2016
Torquay 2 - 3 Maidstone
4
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 08Oct 2016
Eastleigh 0 - 1 Dag & Red
2
NATIONAL LEAGUE Tu 25Oct 2016
Woking 2 - 3 Braintree
3
ENGLISH FA CUP Sa 05Nov 2016
Dartford 3 - 6 Sutton Utd
6
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 12Nov 2016
Southport 3 - 2 Maidstone
3
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 19Nov 2016
Dover 2 - 0 Guiseley
5
NATIONAL LEAGUE Tu 22Nov 2016
Torquay 3 - 0 Solihull M
4
NATIONAL LEAGUE Mo 26Dec 2016
Torquay 4 - 3 Forest Green
5
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 21Jan 2017
Sutton Utd 1 - 1 Eastleigh
5
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 28Jan 2017
Wrexham 2 - 1 Boreham W
2
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 11Feb 2017
Lincoln 3 - 2 Woking
3
NATIONAL LEAGUE Tu 21Feb 2017
Eastleigh 0 - 1 Macclesfield
1
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 25Feb 2017
Aldershot 4 - 0 Bromley
4
NATIONAL LEAGUE Tu 28Feb 2017
Dag & Red 0 - 2 Maidstone
5
1
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 18Mar 2017
Forest Green 3 - 0 Wrexham
7
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 25Mar 2017
Tranmere 1 - 0 Braintree
6
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 01Apr 2017
Torquay 0 - 1 Chester
4
1
NATIONAL LEAGUE Mo 17Apr 2017
Eastleigh 2 - 1 Bromley
6
NATIONAL LEAGUE Sa 29Apr 2017
Southport 1 - 1 Lincoln
4
Games:23Totals:




Yes. So they obviously know each other well!

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: mini_andy (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 22:07

Just back after a ice meal on the seafront. Well that was entertaining!

I take back what I said about McEveley when he signed. He's a touch of class. Once he's fully match fit he'll be spot on. Great signing!

We started the game well, Norwood had a great chance after a couple of minutes. I wasn't keen on the formation and it didn't really work. Jennings isn't effective out wide, he needs to be behind the strikers. Alabi was pretty isolated up top. We were trying to play some good stuff, but dare I say it, our match sharpness wasn't there. Norburn is skillfull, but will talk his way into a lot of bookings.

0-0 was a fair reflection at half team. Neither side deserved the lead.

The Buxton tackle happened right in front of me (and the linesman) What a tackle!! Then the player did his fake collapsing so the ref stopped it (no foul given). Then it just got silly. Buxton was booked for the non foul, McNulty decided to push their gobby striker and got a second yellow. Stupid decision from the captain. From that moment the plot was lost, every dubious tackle the players were going down like they'd been shot (including ours). The ref totally lost control.

Norwood was stupid. He went in with his elbow, so fully deserved his red.

Can't really judge the performance after that, we just had to hold on. I thought everyone did well today. Alabi needed players close to him, and the ball to his feet. He won't win many headers.

Motm was Buxton for me. Solid at the back, good going forward, great set pieces, closest to scoring and knocked one of their players into next week.

On to Tuesday.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: SeeJayKay (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 22:30

Wasn't at the game today but a friend who is a Chester fan told me when we signed him that Alabi is poor in the air but unstoppable when running with or onto the ball.

I'm sure he will come on leaps and bounds this season but agree we need to keep a fired up Cookie involved. Hopefully MM will be able to shuffle the deck to keep the opposition guessing and unable to figure out how to stop us.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Jack of all Trades (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 22:36

I will reserve judgement until after a few games.

We won 5 straight last season at the beginning and flattered to deceive at times IMO.

My understanding is that money is still available to add to the squad when necessary.

Having not seen Owusu play would he be worth an initial short term contract once fit?

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Jack of all Trades (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 22:50

Just concluded the reason we didn't win today wasn't

The Referee or Linesman

MM Team Selection

MM Substitutions

The sending offs

It was the new kit's fault

Joking!!!!

Trying to lighten the mood

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: mini_andy (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 22:51

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Robbie126
I would leave Hughes on the bench as I dont think he offers much, no creativity.

Hughes was brilliant today, spraying the ball all over the place, getting stuck in, and his corners caused them all sorts of problems. Hughes, Harris and norburn looks like a decent midfield

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: DCTRFC (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 23:13

Alabi was poor and Cook seemed a revelation when he came on but he did look shattered after the 20 mins he had been on.
Torquay looked awful going forwards with only the full backs throw ins and the occasional foray forwards from Jake Gosling causing concern. Their striker Keating was dreadful but managed to wind Steve up sufficiently. The Torquay fans I saw after the game couldn't believe we kept a player like Cook on the bench for 74 minutes. McEvely looked solid as did Sutton when he came on.
On a side note I was chatting to my mate Jake Gosling from Torquay after the game and he also said he was suprised how poor Alabi was.
Had a nice suprise too the entire team and MM came out (bar Steve and Nors who must have already been on the bus) and posed for photos with my lad and took time to talk about the game. My lad was blown away. Mangan even rushed back in to get the lads to all sign a programme for him. Norburn said he was frustrated coming off but understood why and Jack Dunn said the game wasn't set up for him to come on which suggests MM will be using him when he thinks we need to run directly at the opposition. Tranmere squad with Ethan



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Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: bheadlad (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 23:17

Disappointed
This was a point won
Encouraging to keep it scoreless and even having chances after sending offs
It will take a few games to get going and hopefully should get better once we win to start momentum
If it is a three game suspension for both then it will give us a good chance to see Cookie and Sutton impress
Thank goodness we didn't a Wrexham today
Will Davies be captain

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 23:20

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DCTRFC
Alabi was poor and Cook seemed a revelation when he came on but he did look shattered after the 20 mins he had been on.
Torquay looked awful going forwards with only the full backs throw ins and the occasional foray forwards from Jake Gosling causing concern. Their striker Keating was dreadful but managed to wind Steve up sufficiently. The Torquay fans I saw after the game couldn't believe we kept a player like Cook on the bench for 74 minutes. McEvely looked solid as did Sutton when he came on.
On a side note I was chatting to my mate Jake Gosling from Torquay after the game and he also said he was suprised how poor Alabi was.
Had a nice suprise too the entire team and MM came out (bar Steve and Nors who must have already been on the bus) and posed for photos with my lad and took time to talk about the game. My lad was blown away. Mangan even rushed back in to get the lads to all sign a programme for him. Norburn said he was frustrated coming off but understood why and Jack Dunn said the game wasn't set up for him to come on which suggests MM will be using him when he thinks we need to run directly at the opposition. Tranmere squad with Ethan

Good post. Nice photos.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: rover87 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 August, 2017 23:51

Cook and Mangan for me up top on tuesday, big fan of Norwoods work rate let himself down today though Mangan also a hard worker would like to see him get a run of games and get some match sharpness.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 06 August, 2017 00:08

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bheadlad
Encouraging to keep it scoreless and even having chances after sending offs
It will take a few games to get going and hopefully should get better once we win to start momentum

It could have been worse and fair play to the team for hanging on after that sending off, as there was more than enough time for Torquay to get into a winning position.

A point was not the ideal start, but it doesn't have to signal a derailing of the top spot ambition and a couple of wins on the bounce after this could certainly get that ambition back on track.

Hopefully Woking will be willing participants in a Tranmere win.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: mini_andy (IP Logged)
Date: 06 August, 2017 00:26

As aside note. Some of our 'fans' threw items onto the pitch during the first sending off. Nice work nob heads!

Re: Next Up: Torquay United (A)
Posted by: kennyspint (IP Logged)
Date: 06 August, 2017 00:43

Two points off automatic promotion

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