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Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: smithy43 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 00:29

Just some thoughts on the MESS we are in, don't have to agree just these are my feelings.

Since Micky took charge his recruitment has been diabolical, makes Brabin look a genius. Since his appointment he has signed the following:
George Waring, James Alabi, Jack Dunn, Jay McEverly, Andy Mangan, Collins, Erico Sousa, Elliot Rokka, Adam Buxton, Ollie Norburn - with the exception of the latter 2, how pathetic are those signings!

He obviously inherited a decent squad, one that Brabin couldn't extract the best out of. Players like Cook, Tollitt, Norwood dwarf any signing that Micky has made. It's no wonder Cookie and Nors are low on confidence - I'm sorry but imagine banging in 20+ goals then seeing Waring and Alabi replace you? I certainly would be p*ssed off.
The budget boost was a calamity, no two ways about it. Just highlights Micky's incompetence.

Now theres the issue of Micky's ego. It's been well documented that he only dropped Cook for Stockton to boost his ego and how dear it has cost us. Not saying we would have gone up with Cookie as the main striker, but in those 2 games against FGR (home and Wembley) Cook was so much more suited and Micky himself would know it. Its frankly embarrassing. His ego is also the reason Dawson is frozen out.. imagine not playing one of the few creative players just because your ego is too big?


Then the Palioi. On the pitch, nothing short of disastrous. Firing Micky Adams with 2 games to go smacks of incompetence, how could he see the results, the fans reactions, the performances and think he'll keep him on for 8 more games rather than getting in someone to arrest the slide? The hiring and firing of Brabin was a joke too, a man with no experience of promotion was never going to take a club like us out of the league, then giving him a full window and sacking in September shows, to me, they're not good football people. I'm sick and tired of being fed messages about england ladies tickets, liverpool reserve tickets, some vanity futsal project, the river hill, a bleeding drone, investment in China (how sh*t are they at football - someone remind Palios!), solar campus, the gold lounge, wirral live, the list goes on! For f*cks sake, just concentrate on the FOOTBALL CLUB part of Tranmere Rovers FC, invest in the team that the club is based on, if not then don't have the cheek to moan about losing money on Wirral Live and the academy funding!! Get your head out the sand mark and nicola.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 07:07

As I have said I spoke to an ex Rovers player who is is still in the game as a coach in summer, he said promotion is not on the cards. Some other pros and people about the game in a variety of guises, some ex Rovers, I've spoken to think the clubs a laughing stock.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Fiftyyearsarover (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 09:03

Well said smithy43 you won't get many arguments from many of us on that one that sums it up brilliantly .the negatives are being proved right .just read the Maidenhead thread .its very disappointing to see such a club in this position and the way we are heading it could get worse

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 09:34

Good post. Not saying I agree with it all but it's a fair opinion imo. I would question about Cook being dropped as some kind of ego boost. And were is it well documented ?. I'd say it was purely a football, and one that worked as for me we looked a better side with Cole upfront. He preferred Cole it's that simple for me.



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Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: TimmySoft (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 13:28

The main problem is the way the players are being coached, the only guys taking shots are norburn and norwood, nobody else appears to have the strength of character to have a go.

The problem comes if the gates continue to drop. It's only going to take 85 points to win this league this season, everyone is beating everyone. We have a good squad and although at the moment we aren't getting the results, I'm confident that a breakthrough will happen with both the coaching and the on pitch performances.

I'd like to see Palios and MM hold a press conference to outline the plan, the target and what sort of financial position we are in.

We need to bring in a centre back or give gumbs the chance, we also need a strong defensive midfielder, I actually think mceverly could do that role in front of a back 4, because coming forward he looks great.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: smithy43 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 13:50

For me we need a new LB, ridehalgh isn't good enough going forward and was at fault again for the goal for allowing the cross in. he's too error prone.

Need a CM that will take the game by the scruff of the neck; like Woodyard for lincoln and Noble for FGR last year. Put Hughes with the youth team he only ever goes sideways
And a winger who will run and just put the ball in the box until tollit comes back

Just a shame all the moneys in the River Hill or the futsal or got spunked on Wirral live. Thanks a bunch MR Palios!!!

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 13:58

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For me we need a new LB, ridehalgh isn't good enough going forward and was at fault again for the goal for allowing the cross in. he's too error prone.
Need a CM that will take the game by the scruff of the neck; like Woodyard for lincoln and Noble for FGR last year. Put Hughes with the youth team he only ever goes sideways
And a winger who will run and just put the ball in the box until tollit comes back

Just a shame all the moneys in the River Hill or the futsal or got spunked on Wirral live. Thanks a bunch MR Palios!!!

The Wirral Live question was asked at the recent q&a session and the reply from Mark Palios was that it was funded separately and had no bearing whatsoever on the playing budget!

Its very easy to jump to conclusions, but the Chairman was quick to explain this and it should not be used as an excuse as why were failing on the pitch!

I agree with your other points though.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Aldo'smuzzy (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 14:18

Can't believe the owners are being slagged off for investing up front into long-term revenue-generating activities for the club. Failing to develop these income streams in the past is a big reason why we got relegated into this league in the first place, once PJ (understandably) decided he wasn't going to carry on throwing more of his own money at the team.

My only worry about MP - and it may be completely groundless - is possible interference into squad matters. The manager should be in total charge of that, including decisions on who comes in, who stays and who goes, imho.



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Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: smithy43 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 15:41

Gonna have to argue against the palios' pez and aldomuzzy - the playing budget was exhausted after we signed jay mceverley. This summer we got rid of mekki, turner, jennings, vaughan, iheikwe, stockton, collins, sousa, maynard and the majority of youth who played at maidstone. Thats say 14 players off the wage bill. We have replaced with just 5 (waring, alabi, mceverley, norburn, rokka).

Im sorry but a net loss of 9 players on the wage bill yet the budget has been completely wiped out? That only comes from less money given from Palios and I honestly believe its from the £200,000+ wirral live losses and all other commercial vanity projects, giving the knock on effect on the pitch.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 15:44

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Gonna have to argue against the palios' pez and aldomuzzy - the playing budget was exhausted after we signed jay mceverley. This summer we got rid of mekki, turner, jennings, vaughan, iheikwe, stockton, collins, sousa, maynard and the majority of youth who played at maidstone. Thats say 14 players off the wage bill. We have replaced with just 5 (waring, alabi, mceverley, norburn, rokka).
Im sorry but a net loss of 9 players on the wage bill yet the budget has been completely wiped out? That only comes from less money given from Palios and I honestly believe its from the £200,000+ wirral live losses and all other commercial vanity projects, giving the knock on effect on the pitch.

Very few of those who left will have been on much.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 15:47

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smithy43
Gonna have to argue against the palios' pez and aldomuzzy - the playing budget was exhausted after we signed jay mceverley. This summer we got rid of mekki, turner, jennings, vaughan, iheikwe, stockton, collins, sousa, maynard and the majority of youth who played at maidstone. Thats say 14 players off the wage bill. We have replaced with just 5 (waring, alabi, mceverley, norburn, rokka).
Im sorry but a net loss of 9 players on the wage bill yet the budget has been completely wiped out? That only comes from less money given from Palios and I honestly believe its from the £200,000+ wirral live losses and all other commercial vanity projects, giving the knock on effect on the pitch.


My bad! So by your reckoning, Mark Palios stood in a room full of Season Ticket Holders and Local Media and lied like cheap watch??

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: smithy43 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 15:53

So you think hed really stand there, and say "yeah sorry lads the budgets gone down by a quarter of a million just because i wasnt able to organise wirral live properly"? Its his incentive to sweet talk those very season ticket holders as theyre his main source of income..

Hoots Man - stockton jennings iheikwe would have still all been on league 1/2 wages from their contracts, havent exactly replaced them with neymar/mbappe. New players will be on conference wages, if not why then micky must explain why mceverely is on a league 2 wage.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 16:16

Just pasted below from the maidenhead thread. i posted on there before i saw this one.

is our issue not the lack of money made available by MP. we were not good enough to go up last season and it was clear over the summer that no cash was available. we did a lot more clearing out than recruiting. it appears that the writting was on the wall, well before the season started. at the begining of last season, MP made it clear that it was the make or break season and it looks like it broke us. has micky just hit a brick wall, as im sure an injection of cash would work wonders for him.

back to the old, how pulls the strings when yuou have an ex player as chairman!

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 13 September, 2017 16:34

If you want the actual answer instead of guessing then read the clubs accounts for tax year 2016, and they don't take account of the lost revenue of 200k for Wirral live, which will be due i the 2018 filing period, extra curricular income is barely up.

The overalls appear to be down as follows (rounded up or down), Cash down 91 % Net worth down 33% assetts down 22%, liabilities up 186% to 3.7 mil

Link to abreviated version here, [companycheck.co.uk]

Link to full report filed at companies house here (you must download the PDF read at your leisure) [beta.companieshouse.gov.uk]

Full report indicates that if we got promoted the extra income would sustain a top 3rd budget, other issues covered are reduction in academy grant of 50% and loss of parachute payment,

Wirral live and a China appear to be the tail pinned on the donkey to maximise this years budget, we all know Live lost 200k so there is your answer.



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Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 September, 2017 00:43

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smithy43
New players will be on conference wages, if not why then micky must explain why mceverely is on a league 2 wage.

Speculation as you almost certainly know not of what new players get paid, in relation to someone like McEverley and Mellon and Palios do not have to justify what an individual player gets paid as it's nobodies business but their own.

As for some of the players mentioned, Mangan played well under Brabin initially and for Mellon at Fleetwood, so there's your answer and Waring hasn't played enough to be written off.

Sousa didn't get that much game time and Rokka is still adjusting to full time football and has not played yet, so writing him off is unfair and as for Dunn, not many people were ragging on him when he was on loan, so why would Mellon say, great spell on loan lad and the general feeling from the public seems to be you're alright, but you're not good enough, when he could tell the guy was good enough.

The problem here is it looks like you're judging Mellon's signings after they've played for Tranmere, or in one or two cases little to no game time, but Mellon is not a prophet, no manager is, so he can't look 4-5 months into the future and say Oh no player X won't have done this that or the other after 10 games, so I won't sign him.

Moore had this in the past, when someone said on here that he should apologise for signing Corry, McGinty Amoo etc because of how they played and I said then and will say now. No manager should apologise for signing players, or have to justify how the player trains or plays for them.

Some signings work out and some don't, but I would not expect Mellon at any point to say I'm sorry for trying to sign players I genuinely thought would be good enough, if one or two showed obvious signs of consistent insufficiency.



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: smithy43 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 September, 2017 01:53

Fair point, but managers should be judged solely on the results and the transfers they make are the biggest influence on the results. None of his signings have set the world alight, and 10 games in weve seen enough to know the majority hes brought in arent good enough. Jack Dunn has been sh*te this season, he had 1 good game last season away at eastleigh. Mangan misses too many chances and is getting on, again not good enough.

We need to stop this excuse culture we have going on, lets be frank here Sousa wasnt strong or technical enough and it took 5 mins to see that, lack of game time shouldnt be an excuse for another poor micky signing.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: dafydd1939 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 September, 2017 04:52

I was ashamed the way we played against Barrow . All the other posts have the right answer and the right reasons for it get rid of of Mickey Melon and the older men in the side. I have never seen such a lazy display at any other Tranmere match this season . I was heartened to see those recruited during the preseason but something has gone wrong and is it the way they are being coached, chosen for the team or is it the Manager who is badly directing and selecting the team? MP please do not let this attitude go on any longer.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: the kav (IP Logged)
Date: 14 September, 2017 12:41

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Gonna have to argue against the palios' pez and aldomuzzy - the playing budget was exhausted after we signed jay mceverley. This summer we got rid of mekki, turner, jennings, vaughan, iheikwe, stockton, collins, sousa, maynard and the majority of youth who played at maidstone. Thats say 14 players off the wage bill. We have replaced with just 5 (waring, alabi, mceverley, norburn, rokka).
Im sorry but a net loss of 9 players on the wage bill yet the budget has been completely wiped out? That only comes from less money given from Palios and I honestly believe its from the £200,000+ wirral live losses and all other commercial vanity projects, giving the knock on effect on the pitch.


My bad! So by your reckoning, Mark Palios stood in a room full of Season Ticket Holders and Local Media and lied like cheap watch??

He wouldnt be the first md of a large company to lie to his customers.... ive not met one md who is open with his staff tbh

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: ADD (IP Logged)
Date: 14 September, 2017 12:51

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Gonna have to argue against the palios' pez and aldomuzzy - the playing budget was exhausted after we signed jay mceverley. This summer we got rid of mekki, turner, jennings, vaughan, iheikwe, stockton, collins, sousa, maynard and the majority of youth who played at maidstone. Thats say 14 players off the wage bill. We have replaced with just 5 (waring, alabi, mceverley, norburn, rokka).
Im sorry but a net loss of 9 players on the wage bill yet the budget has been completely wiped out? That only comes from less money given from Palios and I honestly believe its from the £200,000+ wirral live losses and all other commercial vanity projects, giving the knock on effect on the pitch.


My bad! So by your reckoning, Mark Palios stood in a room full of Season Ticket Holders and Local Media and lied like cheap watch??

He wouldnt be the first md of a large company to lie to his customers.... ive not met one md who is open with his staff tbh
Or of course the third explanation might well be MP could have been 100% truthful and said it had no bearing on the playing budget because the playing budget was set at whatever figure it is and the Wirral Live event was intended to generate revenue for the limited company that is TRFC Ltd. to be spent/ paid as dividends as MP decided but instead it produced a loss.

Re: Micky, Palios and the mess
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 14 September, 2017 13:08

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Gonna have to argue against the palios' pez and aldomuzzy - the playing budget was exhausted after we signed jay mceverley. This summer we got rid of mekki, turner, jennings, vaughan, iheikwe, stockton, collins, sousa, maynard and the majority of youth who played at maidstone. Thats say 14 players off the wage bill. We have replaced with just 5 (waring, alabi, mceverley, norburn, rokka).
Im sorry but a net loss of 9 players on the wage bill yet the budget has been completely wiped out? That only comes from less money given from Palios and I honestly believe its from the £200,000+ wirral live losses and all other commercial vanity projects, giving the knock on effect on the pitch.


My bad! So by your reckoning, Mark Palios stood in a room full of Season Ticket Holders and Local Media and lied like cheap watch??

He wouldnt be the first md of a large company to lie to his customers.... ive not met one md who is open with his staff tbh
Or of course the third explanation might well be MP could have been 100% truthful and said it had no bearing on the playing budget because the playing budget was set at whatever figure it is and the Wirral Live event was intended to generate revenue for the limited company that is TRFC Ltd. to be spent/ paid as dividends as MP decided but instead it produced a loss.

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