Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Moi?
By AJ The Gunner
February 9 2010
With the Liverpool game coming up after a poor run of 1 point out of 9, rather than discuss both teams lengthy injury lists AJ the Gunner deals with bigger issues. Is Wenger's team capable of winning trophies. Can Wenger organise his team to win trophies again? Whatever your view questions are being asked, and AJ attempts if not to answer, then to at least consider what questions should be asked.
Like déjà' vu the same mistake was made; Wenger literally threw away another chance of winning a trophy when he yet again chucked the FA cup game against Stoke City. Like in previous seasons he needed to rest key players for the big games ahead in order to boost the chances of winning the EPL title and the gamble backfired yet again. One point from 3 games and a back to back defeat in the hands of our arch rivals plus the manner of the defeat against Man U is very hard to swallow. No one can dispute the fact that we pass the ball excellently and always have the highest possession statistics; but in the end we gift goals away and end up losing. Can we say before the Liverpool game, even if we win, that we are showing a title-winning form? Can we dare to say we are still in the title race? Or that we can win the Champions League Trophy?
The saying that the same mistakes should never be made twice, let alone five times over, seems of no concern to Wenger since he has made the same mistakes over and over again. Is such a concept so hard to comprehend for a manager of his caliber? Do we even have a fit striker or a striker on form? Is Almunia our saviour between the sticks when he is becoming a practical joke? The team is so unbalanced that I wonder what Wenger sees and knows that we can't fathom.
What explanations can be given for a repeat of the blatant errors that has been the bane of our club? Is a top 3 finish, now the greatest ambition of the Club? I look at Wenger and what has become of Arsenal and wonder if he is in an advanced stage of self denial. Is it possible for a man to completely believe in something that has hopelessly failed to work and cling so desperately to it that every fan who dares to question him is considered anti-Arsenal or anti-Wenger.
What has actually gone wrong? Is Wenger really up for this? What is really his philosophy now and what should we actually believe. How should the average fan react? How many more years in the top flight EPL can some of these players go before he finally gives up on them and their ability to help us finally win a trophy.
The worst thing is that after each defeat, he spins the same lines he has used from one season to another that it sounds like a well rehearsed broken record. The same errors are made game after game that one begins to question what actually goes on during training. The team plays the same way against top teams with no result; and concedes goals in the same way again and again. There is something definitely wrong with the team's organization as they seem unable to defend breakaways. Like a re-occurring decimal, we can't deal with counter-attacks nor can we defend corners.
The question begging desperately to be answered is this: Do we fans have the guts to finally ask the relevant questions? Do we have the guts to accept the truth that is staring at us? I want so much to cling to Wenger's philosophies, after all his record of winning 7 trophies still stands as a testimony of his great achievements, but his excuse that success cannot be measured by trophies alone and using the team's consistency in the Champions League over the past decade as a yard stick makes me wonder.
I know that without winning a trophy one can still find positives but "nearly did" just doesn't cut it for me yet again. Results don't tell lies, and neither does the EPL table. Hearing him say that finishing third is much more difficult than winning a domestic cup does not lie well with me.
I could rant all day but I really hope at the end of this season Wenger will finally be vindicated.
Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
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Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 18:56
Who truly cares? I mean, do you really care if we win anything? I don't. Im more than happy watching fit young men running around kicking a ball.
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Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: dennis_zmeu (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 20:49
Quote:Goofle
Who truly cares? I mean, do you really care if we win anything? I don't. Im more than happy watching fit young men running around kicking a ball.
it's true...wie have a very nice play....but,from 3 on 3 years wie deserve a trophy..
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Bring back stepanovs! (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 20:55
nice post padre.questions do need to be asked.but whos goin to ask them?
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 21:39
AJ you really have not gone deep enough in any way in your analysis, or really say what questions you want answered
On winning the fac or cc cup, well many of you say we can not beat utd or chelsea and utd are in cc final and chelsea still in the fac so how can you complain that wenger threw away the cups if you believe we can not beat those two sides. In fact on that premise it is possible to win the league even losing to utd and chelsea
On winning the fac or cc cup, well many of you say we can not beat utd or chelsea and utd are in cc final and chelsea still in the fac so how can you complain that wenger threw away the cups if you believe we can not beat those two sides. In fact on that premise it is possible to win the league even losing to utd and chelsea
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 21:50
There are qusetions there - why cant the team organise defence? Why do we throw away cup and then go on to lose the subsequent matches?
Why does Wenger repeat the same mistakes again and again - cant he learn?
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Why does Wenger repeat the same mistakes again and again - cant he learn?
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Chapman's Ghost (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 22:04
Eduardo, you don't throw cup games just because there's
a better team you MAY play in a later round.
The Chavs might lose to someone before we play them.
It seems that Wigan can beat them, and Villa and they're
still in the cup
I'd rather win the FA Cup than finish fourth. I'm
fed up with the CL, we can't win that.
If you're not interested in the cups don't enter them,
at least then you won't have fans wasting money on
competitions you don'take seriously.
a better team you MAY play in a later round.
The Chavs might lose to someone before we play them.
It seems that Wigan can beat them, and Villa and they're
still in the cup
I'd rather win the FA Cup than finish fourth. I'm
fed up with the CL, we can't win that.
If you're not interested in the cups don't enter them,
at least then you won't have fans wasting money on
competitions you don'take seriously.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: microdire (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 22:28
Padre Pio you don't have to tell Eduardo that there are questions that need answers from AJ write up. Just like AW, Eduardo runs from the obvious to pursue mirage,the more they run the more the truth is catching up with them.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 22:30
CG you are missing my point, I'm not saying we should, I'm having a go at people who say we can not beat utd or chelsea but still go on as if fielding our best 11 would mean we wold win the cups, by the way I do not think we throw games, yes CC is a policy to field youths, but I do not think in the FAC game we could have fielded any other side, injuries had fecked up the squad
As for fans wasting money on the cup games, well every Arsenal fans knows its the youths in the CC and the emirates is full to the rafters, and unless the fans were locked away in their own world pre stoke game it was clear we would have a much weakened team,
Padre what are these same mistakes Wenger makes over and over(great sound bite but does he really), its like this bull that we conceed loads of goals from breakaways, yes in recent weeks we have conceeded 3(everton utd and chelsea), but before that I for the life of me can not think of any(maybe I've forgotten or just blamked them out but really I can not think of any)
As for fans wasting money on the cup games, well every Arsenal fans knows its the youths in the CC and the emirates is full to the rafters, and unless the fans were locked away in their own world pre stoke game it was clear we would have a much weakened team,
Padre what are these same mistakes Wenger makes over and over(great sound bite but does he really), its like this bull that we conceed loads of goals from breakaways, yes in recent weeks we have conceeded 3(everton utd and chelsea), but before that I for the life of me can not think of any(maybe I've forgotten or just blamked them out but really I can not think of any)
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 22:44
I'll give an example - the defence has no let in 30 goals, that shows that Arsenal are not a championship team, Wenger said he would address it - he said that 3 years ago and its got worse.
This will be worst year ever, not only has mistake been repeated its times 10
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
This will be worst year ever, not only has mistake been repeated its times 10
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 22:49
Microdire there you go again with the TRUTH soundbite, you are great with that sort of thing, but refuse to answer questions put to you on the few occasions you actually put forward an arguement or a well thought out explaination of your views, soundbites may look good but as tom would say, mean jack all,
also microdire dont persume to know my motives for asking for the questions AJ asks to be made clearer, you have already made up your mind that I am one of the Wenger Knows brigade, when in fact I never have been, I have stated many times that he has never won what he should have, that he is too loyal, too principled, most of the time on here I fight against what I see as media driven views, over reactions, too much either black or white views, instant gratification, - the fact alot of this is in line with some of what Wenger and the club does has no bearing on my views.
also microdire dont persume to know my motives for asking for the questions AJ asks to be made clearer, you have already made up your mind that I am one of the Wenger Knows brigade, when in fact I never have been, I have stated many times that he has never won what he should have, that he is too loyal, too principled, most of the time on here I fight against what I see as media driven views, over reactions, too much either black or white views, instant gratification, - the fact alot of this is in line with some of what Wenger and the club does has no bearing on my views.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: microdire (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 23:38
Eduardo,you and I,we are getting there.Let me make a point which I hope you will agree with.Wenger has to do an appraisal of his football principles.Like he said that football is changing,but he is not ready to accommodate the changes. Playing Man utd and the Chav the same way you play Wolves or Pompey will never give you the desire results.What I cannot come to term with is his tactical naivety or should I say stupidity in our last 3 EPL games is baffling;considering his age,his achievement and intelligence of the game.He has a coach should have a game plan per game not a seasonal game plan. I am not calling for head,at the same time I don't believe he is the only one that can get the job done,the same way he is doing it.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2010 23:55
On 23-Jan against Stoke City, who have we available?
And on 23-Jan, we start our run of 4 crucial games:
27-Jan - away to Villa
31-Jan - home to ManLeeds
07-Feb - away to Chelski
10-Feb - home to Liveprool
FOUR crucial games within a space of 14 days.
Or FIVE games in a space of 18 days.
And little rest for the players after a run of 3 games against Bolton on 17-Jana nd 20-Jan.
if Wenegr will to feild the first team against Stoke City - and there is also no guarantee they will win there as well - then if we lose to Villa, all the fans will cried out that Wenger is DAFT not to rest palyers and go on to claim we could ahve beaten Stoke City easily with the Reserves team.
Excuse, who are the Reserves players available?
Sagna was having a bad shoulder and need rest.
Vermaelen and Gallas need a rest as they had started every league and CL Cup game. Moreover, Gallas was playing thru' pain all the time.
We have no striker, all out injured, including Vela and Eduardo.
Even Merida had a bad ankle injury.
Diaby is still out injured with a calf injury.
Arshavin was playing all the time with an injured right in-step, and it causes pain everytime he kicks the ball.
Fabregas, still recoverign from a hamstring injury; and of course, we can't risk him against a tough and physical sides like Stoke City, targetting him for a kicking.
Adn Wenegr can't even find reserves palyers, and sow e ended with our 2nd Team comprised of just players who can run.
...................Fabianski
..Coquelin.....Sol........Silvestre.....Traore
..............Eastmond......Denilson
...Rosicky.........Ramsey...........Nasri
.....................JET
This team should be able to draw or beat Stoke City, if not for that howler by Fabianski in the 2nd minute....and downhill thereafter...
Arseen Wenger's decision is based on teh overall picture, because it is World CUp year, witht he season shortened by 2 weeks.
And from 17-Feb, CL Cup starts and games will be coming in thick and fast with maybe 2 or 3 games every 7 or 8 days.
And if we qualify for qtr-final and semi-final, our league games will be postponed...hence fixture congestion in March?April if we qualify for CL CUp qtr abd seni-final.
WHy do you want to go for FA Cup, that obsessiont hat we MUST WIN a trophy, any trophy?
Have we degenerated into a S*CUMS-like team or a West Ham team, both decent cup teams and counted their season a success, as long as they win a trophy, any trophy including the tin-cup.
By all means then, field a full-strength side for Carling Cup and FA CUp, if that is the extent of Arsenal FC ambition.
With our limited financial resources and prudent financial and extremely conservative management, there is only one answer - go for the Big TWO every season.
Remember, only FOUR PLACES are reserved for CL CUp.
We make it every season since 1998/99 season, 11 consecutive seasons..
And we have a better chance of winning the CL CUp than FA CUp as the luck of the draw will be unkind and as SToke City drawn Abu Dhabi City.....which based on form, we will surely lsoe to 'em on 13-Feb as loking at our injury lsit, Wenegr will nto field a full strength side as we travel to Porto on 17-Feb.
Looking at this way..
We have more chances of beating Porto and advances into qtr-final draw.
Again, if we advanc to FA semi-final, ask that question:
What will be Arsene Wenger's priroity then?
Full strength side durign FA CUp semi?
Or FUll strength side durign CL CUp qtr-final, 4 days after FA CUps emi?
It is all conjecture, with the benefit of hindsight - that FA CUp is our best chance of silverware.
Before we met Vill on 27-Jan, we were onyl 3 points behind Chelski and has as good a chance of winning the title as winning the FA Cup.
All water beneath the Bridge now.
As Rocky's Merlin sig said:
Get a Life. Your bitterness will not help Arsenal to win the title (or silverware)!
And on 23-Jan, we start our run of 4 crucial games:
27-Jan - away to Villa
31-Jan - home to ManLeeds
07-Feb - away to Chelski
10-Feb - home to Liveprool
FOUR crucial games within a space of 14 days.
Or FIVE games in a space of 18 days.
And little rest for the players after a run of 3 games against Bolton on 17-Jana nd 20-Jan.
if Wenegr will to feild the first team against Stoke City - and there is also no guarantee they will win there as well - then if we lose to Villa, all the fans will cried out that Wenger is DAFT not to rest palyers and go on to claim we could ahve beaten Stoke City easily with the Reserves team.
Excuse, who are the Reserves players available?
Sagna was having a bad shoulder and need rest.
Vermaelen and Gallas need a rest as they had started every league and CL Cup game. Moreover, Gallas was playing thru' pain all the time.
We have no striker, all out injured, including Vela and Eduardo.
Even Merida had a bad ankle injury.
Diaby is still out injured with a calf injury.
Arshavin was playing all the time with an injured right in-step, and it causes pain everytime he kicks the ball.
Fabregas, still recoverign from a hamstring injury; and of course, we can't risk him against a tough and physical sides like Stoke City, targetting him for a kicking.
Adn Wenegr can't even find reserves palyers, and sow e ended with our 2nd Team comprised of just players who can run.
...................Fabianski
..Coquelin.....Sol........Silvestre.....Traore
..............Eastmond......Denilson
...Rosicky.........Ramsey...........Nasri
.....................JET
This team should be able to draw or beat Stoke City, if not for that howler by Fabianski in the 2nd minute....and downhill thereafter...
Arseen Wenger's decision is based on teh overall picture, because it is World CUp year, witht he season shortened by 2 weeks.
And from 17-Feb, CL Cup starts and games will be coming in thick and fast with maybe 2 or 3 games every 7 or 8 days.
And if we qualify for qtr-final and semi-final, our league games will be postponed...hence fixture congestion in March?April if we qualify for CL CUp qtr abd seni-final.
WHy do you want to go for FA Cup, that obsessiont hat we MUST WIN a trophy, any trophy?
Have we degenerated into a S*CUMS-like team or a West Ham team, both decent cup teams and counted their season a success, as long as they win a trophy, any trophy including the tin-cup.
By all means then, field a full-strength side for Carling Cup and FA CUp, if that is the extent of Arsenal FC ambition.
With our limited financial resources and prudent financial and extremely conservative management, there is only one answer - go for the Big TWO every season.
Remember, only FOUR PLACES are reserved for CL CUp.
We make it every season since 1998/99 season, 11 consecutive seasons..
And we have a better chance of winning the CL CUp than FA CUp as the luck of the draw will be unkind and as SToke City drawn Abu Dhabi City.....which based on form, we will surely lsoe to 'em on 13-Feb as loking at our injury lsit, Wenegr will nto field a full strength side as we travel to Porto on 17-Feb.
Looking at this way..
We have more chances of beating Porto and advances into qtr-final draw.
Again, if we advanc to FA semi-final, ask that question:
What will be Arsene Wenger's priroity then?
Full strength side durign FA CUp semi?
Or FUll strength side durign CL CUp qtr-final, 4 days after FA CUps emi?
It is all conjecture, with the benefit of hindsight - that FA CUp is our best chance of silverware.
Before we met Vill on 27-Jan, we were onyl 3 points behind Chelski and has as good a chance of winning the title as winning the FA Cup.
All water beneath the Bridge now.
As Rocky's Merlin sig said:
Get a Life. Your bitterness will not help Arsenal to win the title (or silverware)!
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: microdire (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 00:30
As much as I agree with all you've said Merlion 96. Wenger should have prepared better for this. Don't tell me that he doesn't know that this is a world cup year,hence the games will come thick and fast;therefore there is need for a balanced squad.Better still don't tell me that he doesn't know that his players are made of glasses and they will be crocked up as the season goes on.This injury saga has been going on for the past five years or thereabout.Wenger keeps handling it the way he did 5 years ago. January came,he decided to act stupid.I don't believe the bullshit he gave that there are no players better than the one he has;if this is true why the panic shopping few hours before the end of the winter transfer?As you lay your bed you lie on it.AW is more intelligent than the way he plans for AFC season.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 01:27
microdire you must have noticed that the transfer window was flat, almost no movement at all, it was the lowest spending in the 7 years the window has been in place, just under 30M and 12M of that by utd on C Smalling who had 2 epl games, and he don't join till the summer, clubs not willing to sell, and its nonsence to say Wenger waited to make bids on the last day, when he says he was working on deals on the last day it was just like Arshavin last year, just not in the media, bids in for days or weeks, selling club looking for more, etc
Also two things on transfer targets, I would be mad as hell if say someone like Dzeko had moved clubs in the window and Arsenal was not in for him, but I can not think of one player who moved who is noticably better than what we have, so did we miss out on anyone
Secondly this@#$%&the moaners spout about "the idiot could not find better players, or get a loan in", just think about it, why would any club, in such a flat market, with money so tight and future uncertain, want to let one of their players who is good enough for Arsenal, leave them, especially on loan, even for a bit over his worth, jeez, mick mccarthy of Wolves said he never seen a market like it, Wolves he said bid way over their value for at least 4 players and he never even came close to getting one of the clubs to sell, its different if lots and lots of players are available, but its not only Arsenal that are tying players down to long contracts due to the Webster clause and money problems, jeez if you are a club with an Arsenal quality player surely you will want him to stay and help you for rest of the season.
Also two things on transfer targets, I would be mad as hell if say someone like Dzeko had moved clubs in the window and Arsenal was not in for him, but I can not think of one player who moved who is noticably better than what we have, so did we miss out on anyone
Secondly this@#$%&the moaners spout about "the idiot could not find better players, or get a loan in", just think about it, why would any club, in such a flat market, with money so tight and future uncertain, want to let one of their players who is good enough for Arsenal, leave them, especially on loan, even for a bit over his worth, jeez, mick mccarthy of Wolves said he never seen a market like it, Wolves he said bid way over their value for at least 4 players and he never even came close to getting one of the clubs to sell, its different if lots and lots of players are available, but its not only Arsenal that are tying players down to long contracts due to the Webster clause and money problems, jeez if you are a club with an Arsenal quality player surely you will want him to stay and help you for rest of the season.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Chapman's Ghost (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 07:32
Quote:eduardo
CG you are missing my point, I'm not saying we should, I'm having a go at people who say we can not beat utd or chelsea but still go on as if fielding our best 11 would mean we wold win the cups, by the way I do not think we throw games, yes CC is a policy to field youths, but I do not think in the FAC game we could have fielded any other side, injuries had fecked up the squad
As for fans wasting money on the cup games, well every Arsenal fans knows its the youths in the CC and the emirates is full to the rafters, and unless the fans were locked away in their own world pre stoke game it was clear we would have a much weakened team,
)
Re the first paragraph, I thought that you wouldn't make
such a stupid statement. I misunderstood you.
The Stoke game we had Vermaelen and Arshavin on the bench,
shouldn't they have started? We didn't play the best team
that day because Wenger wanted to focus on the league.
Wouldn't have happened in 98, maybe......
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 08:55
these problems and debates about arsenal has nothing to do with the media's conceptions are cos they are all delightful when all is not well........they are all about doom and gloom.....
Injuries are not excuses....how many seasons does it take wenger to realize that injuries are part of his contingency plans before a season.............
hoping injured players will return and hit top form is not an excuse either cos that has failed to work in the past seasons......
playing through pain barriers is not one either............
nurturing talents can make money for us but out of all we have nurtured so far, how many of them will really make the grade...............
our defense is just poor.i really doubt wenger and his crew have any defensive abilities in them to solve these issues cos they have persisted for so long.why not get keown back after all he turned our defense into the best in europe once......
why do we see the same mistakes and lack of planning over and over again with no solutions yet.................
he won't buy the quality we need cos he doesn't want some players ability to develop to be hampered................ seriously some of these players have reached their finally ability and will never develop further. so whats the point..............
do we really study other teams weakness? cos it seem they only exploit ours over and over again............
utd and chelski can still drop points but the issue is can we gain the points to make up???????
i don't believe we are all anti-wenger or arsenal simply because some of us are fed up.....
wenger once said that the ultimate goal is to entertain the fans so that after each match we would have watched a football game made in heaven..... but seeing us play the way we play and loose or concede goals due to school boy errors are certainly not entertaining..............
what are we really witnessing........... a decline or the beginning of something great.............
ambitions, vision and plans have some how shifted. to what? i for one i'm yet to discern.....
Can We Now Trust The Process 🤔🤷🏿♀️ or Should We Still Remain Cautious 🙇🏿♀️
Injuries are not excuses....how many seasons does it take wenger to realize that injuries are part of his contingency plans before a season.............
hoping injured players will return and hit top form is not an excuse either cos that has failed to work in the past seasons......
playing through pain barriers is not one either............
nurturing talents can make money for us but out of all we have nurtured so far, how many of them will really make the grade...............
our defense is just poor.i really doubt wenger and his crew have any defensive abilities in them to solve these issues cos they have persisted for so long.why not get keown back after all he turned our defense into the best in europe once......
why do we see the same mistakes and lack of planning over and over again with no solutions yet.................
he won't buy the quality we need cos he doesn't want some players ability to develop to be hampered................ seriously some of these players have reached their finally ability and will never develop further. so whats the point..............
do we really study other teams weakness? cos it seem they only exploit ours over and over again............
utd and chelski can still drop points but the issue is can we gain the points to make up???????
i don't believe we are all anti-wenger or arsenal simply because some of us are fed up.....
wenger once said that the ultimate goal is to entertain the fans so that after each match we would have watched a football game made in heaven..... but seeing us play the way we play and loose or concede goals due to school boy errors are certainly not entertaining..............
what are we really witnessing........... a decline or the beginning of something great.............
ambitions, vision and plans have some how shifted. to what? i for one i'm yet to discern.....
Can We Now Trust The Process 🤔🤷🏿♀️ or Should We Still Remain Cautious 🙇🏿♀️
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: youngdevil (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 14:48
the fat lady is clearing her throat
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 23:18
Quote:youngdevil
the fat lady is clearing her throat
Ahem.....gurglgurlgurlguuuuuu....Villa 1 ManLeeeds 1.
Re: Has Wenger once again thrown away chance of winning a trophy
Posted by: Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2010 23:32
Trust Tom Clancy to deliver.
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