Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence


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By Boris Mellor
March 27 2010

Yes an individual error probably cost us the three points, and no doubt it will feel like a defeat to the team. It certainly feels like a defeat to supporters, it has most probably seen Arsenal's slight chance of winning the league gone for this season.

 In the overall scheme of things it is not a bad result, Chelsea and Man U also drew at Birmingham; City is a fortress and has been so since 26th September. The idea that Arsenal have an easy run in has always been garbage and there are still quite a few tough away games to come.  Unfortunately a draw just isn't enough at this stage of the title race.

Don't blame the defence

Most of us didn't expect the Gunners to be this close to the top at this stage of the season, after the Chelsea defeat we seemed to be out of it. For those who want to knock the defence they should remember that Arsenal have only conceded 4 goals in the last 7 premiership games with three clean sheets. Almunia made an error, but last week he won us the game, has he really gone from hero to zero in seven days?

Also Arsenal had to complete this difficult fixture with both first choice CBs not available. In fact even the third choice CB was not available. The problem wasn't the defence but the failure to kill off the game.

Wenger's team selection not main reason

There is more logic in criticising Wenger's team selection, why not start Arshavin? Last week Arshavin struggled and complained of losing his breath. He made no impact on the game. Maybe my assessment is wrong but the Guardian gave him five out of ten.

Did Wenger have his mind on Barca on Wednesday, of course he did, he would be mad not to. But I don't think he overdid it, after all he played Campbell and Fabregas. This wasn't a Carling team, if Walcott and Rosicky aren't capable of delivering at Birmingham then perhaps they should go now, not that I am arguing that.

Does anyone seriously expect Wenger not to try and keep something in reserve for Wednesday? The argument that we will lose anyway is crass, some may well think that, but can you expect Wenger to think that. That his preparation for Barca will be we are going to lose anyway.

True Nasri and Arshavin were on the bench, but they were brought on with over 20 minutes to play, and Nasri did have great effect, scoring an opening wonder goal. Unfortunately he passed to Arshavin when he should have taken the shot himself. If that goal had been scored we wouldn't be discussing the defence or the team selection. The team could have won the game, but they didn't, but neither selection nor defence is the key issue.

The real problem - struggling to score - striker needed

If either Chelsea or Man U win the league it will be because they still play with class strikers. Arsenal have conceded four in 7 games, but only scored 14 in the same time. Chelsea and Man U scored eleven goals today between them, that's a month of goals for Arsenal.

The team is now struggling to score; against West Ham it took a late penalty to kill the game, at Stoke it took a last minute penalty to win the game, and at Hull a 90 minute goal settled it.

True it show great team spirit, but your luck will always run out one day, sheer will power cannot cover up for a lack of a striker for ever. I believe Wenger will pay for the failure to have bought a striker at Xmas, but I hope I am wrong. Defence is important, but this year the title will go to a high scoring team, for a while that was a free scoring Arsenal, now the Gunners rivals are the ones netting the ball for fun.

Six wins and one draw in last seven games is pretty good, it's no use ripping into individuals if we fail, winning all of the last 7 games was always a pretty tall order. It's easier to win the CL, which is why Liverpool did it without ever winning the Premiership.

No doubt Wenger will refuse to give up on either, but without a top class striker (Nick is work in progress) he will probably miss out on both. The closer it is the worse it may well feel to the true fan.Ramsey banner

Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2010 19:29

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Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2010 19:33

Youv'e nailed it with the last paragraph.

The midfield has carried the team as far as goals are concerned.

At the start of the season I said that we were going into the season with an injury prone forward 4 with very very few goals between them. I haven't been wrong.

People are amazingly forgiving towards Bendnter and Eduardo, and amazingly critical towards midfielders whose job is not to score 20 goals a season (look at the nonsense about Arshavin today).

Look at United, Berbatov has just been effortlessly banging goals in with the outside of his foot in a 4-0 romp. Chelsea scored 7. At this stage of the season, the 30 million pound men come to the fore, and we dont have many of them.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: ArsenalForever (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2010 19:40

read wenger's post match report?

sounds like he is disappointed at the players for not scoring the 2nd goal and not keeping the ball in the corner flag during injury time

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2010 19:41

I didnt want Wenger to copy Citeh, but just one striker.
But considering the squad he has its a case of over achievement. it will be interesting to see how the team reacts to this setback.

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Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2010 20:10

I do forsee a bit of an exodus in the summer, not for any particular reason, just that I think that this season has shown some players to be heading off in different directions.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: mapleleafgooner (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2010 21:23

Quote:
celine dion
.....
People are amazingly forgiving towards Bendnter and Eduardo, ......

Not really. Bendtler was poor today with 0 attempts at goal and 0 assist. He was on a rich vein of form but like all young players, they are highly inconsistent. I think Eduardo is no longer the same player as before his injury.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Chapman's Ghost (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2010 06:58

I'm afraid that's the difference between us and true
attacking quality that the Chavs and Manu have.

It was obvious to most that we needed a striker
in January, mainly because of our average defence.

Drogba, Rooney, we don't have a striker of that
calibre.

Notwithstanding that look at the depth of squad the
Chavs have. They have injuries to key players and
yet they still massacre Villa.

Manu's squad may only be slightly better than ours
but they have a belief which has been formed by
winning things consistently.

We have had nothing to celebrate for five years.
It's a cliche but success breeds success.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2010 17:52

We have massively overacheived,as said in another post we have relied on three average Gks,two CBs staying fit and an injury prone frontman and one the jury is still out on.
Instead of having masses of young and average players we would be better with more quality and less quantity.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Gooner_Mike (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 19:39

My patience is wearing think with Bendter, he had two glorious chances any decent striker would of put away, one pea-rolled wide, the other he didn't anticipate. Against a team he went on loan to almost 3 seasons ago, how much has he improved in those 3 years? not by much, I like him when he links up with others, or gets the occasional header, but he really isnt that 30 goal a year striker, or even 20, so other than being a decent back up, I don't think he has a long term future at the club, hes had more than enough chances to show his worth, but the majority of the time he has been pretty damn poor by anybodys standards, I cut him alot of slack because I like him as a character, I like his confidence, but as a striker, he has underdelivered in almost 3 seasons of first team squad action.

Eduardo seems to be damaged good, unfortunately he may never be that goalscorer again, but I dont get it, when he first got back from his leg break, did he not score one of the hardest goals technically ive ever seen on the volley with the outside of his foot? What happened?

RVP, well when he's fit its all dandy, its the 364 other days of the year when hes injured that grates me. If hes not fit after this layoff, its time to say adios, I dont like how he has just @#$%& off abroad for so long, when Cesc is injured he is always on the bench, congratulating the players after the game, it shows a lack of respect from RVP, as much as I like him, my favourite player on the pitch on his day.

Other than that, weres the youngsters we've been banging on about, where is the star striker risen up through the youths to take over Henry's reign. Nowere, we just dont have that striker amongst the upcomers, the youth policy has been a major dissapointment, who has come up through the ranks in recent times and really grasped the bit between their teeth for a first team spot?

The balance isn't right and Wenger should address this early in the summer before pre season begins. But as ever, he wont, and the cycle continues, we were "almost" there, but ultimately, one or two players short, that will be my assesment of next season.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 20:26

if we'd have bought ANY striker in the world and he'd come straight into the team and scored as many goals as bendtner has since coming back from injury we'd be ecstatic

amazing that people are still just accepting the opinions of commentators as fact. bendtner couldn't have headed that cross in a million years. replays showed the defender got a flick on it. no way he could have possibly readjusted in time

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 20:30

I actually dont recall him having a chance.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 20:51

it wasn't his best game since coming back but it was really good play by him that set up the arshavin chance

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 21:49

I cant be arsed trying to make other people see what Bendnter is. I can only assume they never watched Henry Wright jesus even Alan Smith and Merson. People who used to get lots of goals and every single week in a variety of different and exciting ways. Bendnter only has to come back into midfield and execute a square pass to Walcott and everybody around me has a f*cking ORGASM and Super Nik starts up. Meanwhile players like Ricardo Fuller score mazy dribbles against West Ham and everybody ignores them. Bendnter is good in the air, moderately so. Hence his handy goal against Stoke. The same kind of goal that Dean Ashton used to score 10 of every season. But hey he gets a goal against Sunderland, from 1 yard, another two tap ins and a penalty against a Porto team that looked like they had been drugged on the plane, and everybody goes Super Nik Mad. Its like the life of Brian, people are so desperate for a hero they accept the first one that comes along. For f*cks sake, be more DEMANDING. Your seats costing you 50 quid a throw. Same goes for Eduardo. Broken leg or no broken leg, the blokes AVERAGE. Hes in the wrong league. I dont care how much of a slagging I get, overall, I see these two for what they are, two below Arsenal standard forwards missing chances and getting a below average goal return in front of very possibly the second best midfield in the world.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 22:27

i don't think bendtner's anybody's hero but he's getting his first proper run as the main striker and he's scoring plenty of goals at the minute

if it's good goals you're after how about the shot against blackburn earlier in the season?

he creates chances for others as well

he's also 22. drogba was struggling in league 2 in france at that age. ian wright was burgling houses

he's going to be a quality player for us

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 22:30

Ha ha, burgling houses, you do have a good way of writing, I'll give you that. Oh well, I don't dislike Bendnter that much, I dont really dislike anyone except the government. Good luck to him, hope he proves me wrong.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 22:41

just to prove i'm cool i decided to do a comparison of arshavin and bendtner's season

from the best stats i could put together, in all competitions

bendtner has 9 goals and 5 assists in 22 matches

arsh has 11 goals and 7 assists in 35 matches

now, given the fact that arshavin is our record signing, an experienced player and obviously a much better footballer than bendtner i don't think nic stacks up too badly

15 goals last season, looking to be double figures this season. not too shabby for a 22 year old squad player. certainly @#$%& on ricardo fuller

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Gooner_Mike (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 22:47

When I slate Bendter I get called a commentator brown noser, when celine does it he gets a valid response, I don't know why I bother.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 22:50

Quote:
Gooner_Mike
When I slate Bendter I get called a commentator brown noser, when celine does it he gets a valid response, I don't know why I bother.

i was talking about a specific incident

you said brown noser not me

i don't know why you bother either







only joking

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2010 23:21

Arshavin was full of praise for Nik, and how him being in the team makes alot of room for AA and others to play in and how he works for the team and contests for the goalkeepers kickouts etc. Nik is no world beater but seeing as you bring up Alan Smith, well at 22 smudger was nothing special, struggling for goals at leicester and miles away from an England cap.

Anyone see Wenger's comments on Eduardo and why he is not playing more games, basically said he is only now close to full recovery from the leg break, and that it has to be remembered he had another major operation on his leg last summer(think he had metal plate removed that origanally was ment to be left in for ever) to help him get his speed back and that it is only in the last few weeks that Eduardo has in training looked something like the pre-injury Eduardo


Strange how we hear gooners complain about players who leave us as being grass is always greener, yet suffer from same problem when assessing our players and who they'd replace them with, Carlton Cole a case in point, seen somewhere his best ever return is 12 goals, and to think Nik's 15 mean he is a second rater and CC should take over from him.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: karteta16 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 00:02

Bendtner's always been average and useful(headers height etc) as a player but not any where near a match winner. Eduardo looked a handful to play against when he first arrived but now he's marked out of games by the poorest defenders, RvP is RVP slow to get going score + Assist then treatment table, Walcott is training as a RW and Vela is training to be Walcott.

Man Utd and Chelsea have two top class strikers, that's what you have to have to compete with them,

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 00:03

We havent got an alternative to Nik, I wish we did but we dont, therefore there is no point in slagging him off.

he doesnt always score but as Arshavin says it helps all the midgets play better (well he didnt say midgets).
The shape of the team is better with Nik, now if RvP ever comes back for more than a fortnight than Nik should be second choice

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Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 00:04

He probably did say midgets.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Lewis_198four (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 01:59

Bendtner is only 21 and will be better than Ade or RVP when he reaches their age, this is his first real run in the team and because he is young there will be elements of inconsistency about his game, just flashes of what he can do, if he gets a full season under his belt the flashes will come more often until he is at a world class level just takes time and practice he is 21 if he would have played as many games for us as Fab has or Messi at Barca then he would be at that level, some would argue that he is already a better international player than those Two.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 02:14

Quote:
karsene16
Bendtner's always been average and useful(headers height etc) as a player but not any where near a match winner.

i can think of a few matches he's won us in the last month

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 10:37

furthermore

since being signed for 30 million pounds dimitar berbatov has scored ...

2

more goals than bendtner

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 11:42

who will really blame for the lack of goals...we could accuse wenger for not signing a striker in january when RVP got injured but what of all these clear chances we waste.......arshavin & bendtners misses are alarming and if those goals were scored, i don't think it would be a case of running out of goals...i guess thats why a ruthless natural striker is essential..but wenger needs to run a riot act to these players..........its sickening the way goals are missed after chances are created.

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Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: karteta16 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 11:49

Quote:
your mother
Quote:
karsene16
Bendtner's always been average and useful(headers height etc) as a player but not any where near a match winner.

i can think of a few matches he's won us in the last month

on the basis of picking up the ball himself, going past a defender and scoring, not latching on to loose balls.

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 12:41

say on the last day of january we'd bought david villa for 30 million

he's on the bench for chelsea - comes on and we lose

starts against liverpool we win

starts against porto we lose

SCORES against sunderland we win

SCORES quality equaliser against stoke we win

MISSES about 100 sitters against burnley but we win

SCORES hatrick as we hammer porto 5-0

SCORES last minute winner to beat hull

subbed off against west ham due to a knock

plays in draw against birmingham - sets up the easiest chance of the match with excellent play

That's 9 matches and 1 sub appearance

Six goals including some crucial ones

7 wins, 1 draw, the only loss (excluding sub appearance) is in a 2 leg match that we win

We'd all be hailing David Villa as an automatic arsenal hero like we did with Arshavin last year

Now obviously I'm not trying to compare the two but I don't see how we can knock Bendtner for his effort and impact since returning from injury

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: karteta16 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 12:56

it still doesn't change the fact that his impact comes from other players not his own skills.

Same could be said for Walcott, he looked World Class vs Burnley but when needed in a bigger game was back to usual.

If Bendtner keeps scoring or keeps assisting he'll be given respect.

Theodore roosevelt - In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: your mother (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 13:06

can't say fairer than that

hopefully he does then

starting tomorrow

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Gooner_Mike (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 15:48

I think if you just look at him play he just isnt that talismatic forward we crave, the one who scores brilliant game changing goals and can carry the team on his shoulders.

He is a decent attacking player, I really like the guy, Ive NEVER once asked for him to be sold, its just long term, he should be a squad player not out main source of attack, which is why we needed a new striker in january, he wasnt going to get the goals that won us games at crucial times.

Re: Running out of goals and games - don't blame the defence
Posted by: Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2010 16:04

Quote:
Gooner_Mike
When I slate Bendter I get called a commentator brown noser, when celine does it he gets a valid response, I don't know why I bother.

Now you know how I feel.

You are negative in a different way to celine.

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