What is needed to win the league?
By DJArse
July 20 2015
DJArse posted these comments on the forum looking back to last season and looking forward to the coming one. Cech looks like a good aquisition but is there more to be done? DJs views follow:
The first part of the season was very frustrating as it seemed like Groundhog Day - starting the season with obvious gaps in the squad that everyone recognised except the Manager.
Sanchez is obviously our player of the season for the way he carried the team for months.
I think overall there was little improvement really - the standard across the rest of the Premiership dropped, as the Champions League results proved.
Some players made significant breakthroughs - Bellerin, Coquelin, Chambers. And I think Gabriel will prove a good buy. Wilshere's return to form is promising.
We need to decide what we are realistically aiming for - to win the premiership is one thing; to win in Europe is quite another.
Even to win the premiership, we would need to improve significantly as the other tops will strengthen too over the summer. To win in Europe we would need some world-class signings - I cant see that happening.
I think there remain real gaps:
* We need another holding and/or defensive midfielder - Coquelin is good and huge credit to him for the breakthrough this year but he reminds me of Flamini when he partnered Fabregas - he was not that good but happened to be the perfect foil for Fabregas. Maybe Bielik is that player but it is risky to assume that as he has had no playing time at the top level this season.
* We need a world class striker alongside Sanchez - Giroud has improved but is not at that level - nor is Wellbeck.
What is less clear is which players may break through next season - Akpom, Hayden, Gnabry, Bielik, Crowley or Iwobi ? Will Diaby stay fit - the odds don't look hopeful. Zelalem seems to have gone backwards in his development.
I don't see any future for Sanogo, Campbell,Miyaichi, Wellington.
Wenger did just enough this season to keep the fans happy but will need some shrewd work in the transfer market this summer to avoid becoming the source of fans' frustration again.
What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 10:20
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Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 11:02
Q: What is needed to win the league?
A: A new manager.
A: A new manager.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: tigerline (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 13:54
Quote:Optimistic Gunner
Q: What is needed to win the league?
A: A new manager.
You beat me to it!
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 14:35
Or change the rules so that third and fourth are a trophy
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 14:42
Or become a richer club than City, Chelsea and United.
Official 1000th poster in the classic transfer rumors thread of 2014.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: plonky (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 15:45
John Terry to lose form and fitness.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2015 17:47
Quote:this.Gööfle11
Or become a richer club than City, Chelsea and United.
99 percent of the time the best players are the are part of the team that wins the league and attracting those players is key. Not so easy when u have chelsea, utd and city to contend with.
Our only advantage is a settled squad and continuity (which chelsea have too).
Benzema/Cavani/etc and we are there even without a DM. We dont need a DM playing lesser teams at home. Caz-Ramsey is fine
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/08/2015 02:14
Arsene Wenger: "A great player is one who makes his team win. Anything else is just talk."
I believe this was what Arsene said about Dennis Bergkamp after winning his first double in 1997/98 season.
Who will be that great player in 2015/16 season?
I believe this was what Arsene said about Dennis Bergkamp after winning his first double in 1997/98 season.
Who will be that great player in 2015/16 season?
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 01/08/2015 02:35
Quote:Merlion96
Who will be that great player in 2015/16 season?
there won't be one because we won't win any major trophies this season
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: BIGSNOOP (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2015 22:10
no injuries and a little bit of luck.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Goofle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/08/2015 12:28
I think we can win it to be honest.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 03/08/2015 21:30
We most def have the best and most settled "squad" in the league. We will have to make a strong start before united and city start to gel. Any kind of injury too chelsea s core will see then struggle. They play the same team and don't really have the depth..
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2015 00:05
Quote:CazOnARola
We most def have the best and most settled "squad" in the league. We will have to make a strong start before united and city start to gel. Any kind of injury too chelsea s core will see then struggle. They play the same team and don't really have the depth..
a sgnificant injury to Coquelin we are screwed
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: mapleleafgooner (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2015 02:51
Quote:Optimistic GunnerQuote:CazOnARola
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a sgnificant injury to Coquelin we are screwed
This.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: tigerline (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2015 04:08
Quote:Optimistic GunnerQuote:CazOnARola
We most def have the best and most settled "squad" in the league. We will have to make a strong start before united and city start to gel. Any kind of injury too chelsea s core will see then struggle. They play the same team and don't really have the depth..
a sgnificant injury to Coquelin we are screwed
Amen!
Been sayin'.
Somebody PLEASE tell this to wenger before it's too late.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2015 04:26
Coquelin might not play all the games as DM anyway. You might find ramsey-caz being paired in home games. What you are saying is we'd be screwed if Coquelin gets injured in the big games.
Its the same for chelsea if Hazard/Terry get injured for like 3-4 months. Chelsea wont win the league if Hazard has a long term injury.
The key for them has always been keeping 90 percent of their best players through out the season.
Coquelin is one of the best DMs in the league. We wont win the league if he is injured for 3 months and his replacement say william carvalho plays there for that time. The quality of his replacement will determine if we finish 2 or 4th.
But without our best players fit for a majority of the season and esp big games, we wont win the league. Its going to be that tight. Wenger will have to be smart and rotate players properly since we have many places where players are at nearly the same level, even if they arent world class. They need to be rotated intelligently which his biggest challenge with everyone fit.
Its the same with city and aguero. Liverpool > sturridge.
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Its the same for chelsea if Hazard/Terry get injured for like 3-4 months. Chelsea wont win the league if Hazard has a long term injury.
The key for them has always been keeping 90 percent of their best players through out the season.
Coquelin is one of the best DMs in the league. We wont win the league if he is injured for 3 months and his replacement say william carvalho plays there for that time. The quality of his replacement will determine if we finish 2 or 4th.
But without our best players fit for a majority of the season and esp big games, we wont win the league. Its going to be that tight. Wenger will have to be smart and rotate players properly since we have many places where players are at nearly the same level, even if they arent world class. They need to be rotated intelligently which his biggest challenge with everyone fit.
Its the same with city and aguero. Liverpool > sturridge.
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Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2015 07:36
well when was time you saw Wenger rotate players properly?
never because he is not good at it
never because he is not good at it
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2015 12:01
That's exactly what I'm interested in seeing. Most guys here think we are a bit short in a few areas and while i agree we can do with a cooler of world class players, even with the current squad i would deem anything other than top 2 a failure this season. Unless we have some horrendous impact injuries, the is no excuse even if we have a lot of soft tissue injuries cause they shouldn't be happening Now
Previously he had to over Play player s because we had very poor neck up players. This year he had enough quality back ups. So much so that flamini rosicky don't make the bench and rosicky is very a decent back up player
Previously he had to over Play player s because we had very poor neck up players. This year he had enough quality back ups. So much so that flamini rosicky don't make the bench and rosicky is very a decent back up player
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: plonky (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2015 14:26
Wenger rotates the team every time we get an injury. He's got very good at it over the past few years.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2015 16:24
Quote:Exactly, with "no injuries" meaning acceptable injury level.BIGSNOOP
no injuries and a little bit of luck.
I would've been more certain if we had a striker like Higuain and a back-up dm like Kondogbia, but since we can't have them now, I think we're in the best possible shape to challenge for the title.
"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2015 19:23
I think Coquelin is the hardest to rotate out of team, and if he is injured it is no use moaning about bad luck, we need an adequate replacement, which i doubt we have
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2015 06:32
Partly true. I say partly cause he will not Play full games many times. Last session too we subbed him around 70 min a few times because we were chasing games. Plus at home against the bottom clubs, u would probably not need a proper dm with little ball skills. So he should nt really be over played unlike players like our cbs or sanchez who will play 90 min every time. My biggest worry is at cb and gabriels progress
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Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2015 15:33
Unpredictability.
Too much one-dimensional short passes without intermixing long and accurate lobs into the box and behind defenders for Walcott and Alexis to chase them.
Stop crossing from the flanks 100% of the time and more cutting into centre by FB to catch opponents off-balanced.
Whenever Monreal, Debuchy and OX drove towards the by-lines, WHU players were standing all in line waiting fro the crosses to come in.
Walcott is wasted when playing short passes without anyone giving him a chance to chase down long passes.
Change the tactics or else prepare for another long slog to retain TOp-4 status.
Too much one-dimensional short passes without intermixing long and accurate lobs into the box and behind defenders for Walcott and Alexis to chase them.
Stop crossing from the flanks 100% of the time and more cutting into centre by FB to catch opponents off-balanced.
Whenever Monreal, Debuchy and OX drove towards the by-lines, WHU players were standing all in line waiting fro the crosses to come in.
Walcott is wasted when playing short passes without anyone giving him a chance to chase down long passes.
Change the tactics or else prepare for another long slog to retain TOp-4 status.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: kudzif (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2015 16:18
Ozil has to consistently perform like a top tier player.Arsene has to do a much much better coaching job than he has done in more than a decade. Arsene's biggest weakness now is on the pitch stuff:actual coaching , developing players, and making players better, drilling discipline and tactical awareness in the team
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Lewis_198four (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2015 20:55
Gabriel for Mertesacker.
AFC
RULE!
AFC
RULE!
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: tigerline (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2015 21:03
Quote:Lewis_198four
Gabriel for Mertesacker.
I'm ready to see that move, too, to be honest.
Per has always lacked pace, but now he is losing quickness and he is a player whose game depends upon timely positioning.
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: Lewis_198four (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2015 18:48
Quote:tigerlineQuote:Lewis_198four
Gabriel for Mertesacker.
I'm ready to see that move, too, to be honest.
Per has always lacked pace, but now he is losing quickness and he is a player whose game depends upon timely positioning.
Yeah his lack of pace will end up in injury or red cards, he has always been good but we just need a little bit better than 'good'
AFC
RULE!
Re: What is needed to win the league?
Posted by: TonyStark (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2015 15:20
i'd like to know the plan for Theo & Ox. They both need to play, but how ? Injuries will always come up for us, but is Theo wondering why he signed up ?
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