16th : Lincoln heading for more mediocrity?
By theimps.tk
July 25 2009
Well I said it was coming, the first time sinced starting this site that I've predicted us to finish outside of the top 7, but to be honest I have good reasons for thinking so, and based on many conversations and comments and various forums, I am not alone.
Let's look at this realistically. In Jackson's first season at the club, after John Schofield's inspired poor start, the Imps recorded 58 points from 46 games, enough for midtable irrelevance, twelve months later and no-one else's bad start to blame, 59 points from 46 games also saw a midtable finish, this time 13th. However, that doesn't tell the story of the season as City would have finished 15th had it not been for Rotherham and Bournemouth both having points deductions. In other words, our progress was one point, nothing more, nothing less and all of that was with a squad that I think is better than the one with have now.
I can't really recall going into a season without even the slightest bit of optimism, but I am now. It's hard to put my finger on why but I feel that we've lost some very good players, but replaced them with players who may have impressed in pre-season, but this is a pre-season where City have failed to win as of yet. However, I have been impressed with what I've seen of Chris Fagan. I knew about him from his days at Manchester United so knew he would be dangerous at this level and if there's one player I trust to propel us higher than the 16th place I am predicting then it's Fagan.
I have a strange trust in our defence. The end of last season (other than the Aldershot game) saw our defence finally gel and stop conceding goals, with Moses Swaibu being excellent after a very shaky debut. It seemed almost strange that our defence significantly strengthened after Danny Hone (our best defender in my opinion). The addition of Heath should be decent and if we sign Hughton then I will have confidence that we can avoid the sort of defending that saw us concede 5 at Grimsby.
If there's one sign of how inconsistent we were last season then it was the fact that if we went ages without losing then we'd rarely win, but if we went on long runs without a win then we'd rarely lose, it was quite strange how it worked out and if we could sort that out then we'd be laughing. I mean look at our win at Gillingham, brilliant win but that was our last win for three and a half weeks. It's that kind of inconsistency that prevents us really going anywhere.
The one thing about this Lincoln side is that I think it has the potential to be a really good side, but I don't think we can fulfil this potential under Jackson. He's had nearly two years to prove he is good enough to be our manager and other than arguably saving us from relegation (although if was Iffy who technically did it as he was in charge at the time), he's done nothing to take this club forward. I've spoken to many fans who have no intention on returning until he leaves, one of whom decided to get a Leeds season instead.
I would just love to be able to be sat here in twelve months being able to predict where we would finish in League One, but I can't see it happening and we appear to yet again be a club in transition. I don't think we'll have any relegation issues at all, even at our worst we're still better than teams such as Accrington, but I don't feel we've adequately replaced the outgoing players and 16th, give or take, is where I see us finishing.
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I know we all want the squad together now but we do have until the emd of August to get the squad sorted.
Think we will be relegated this year.
No forwards and lost our most creative players.
At the least he/she is fairweather, at worse a traitor to the cause.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:07:25:23:14:16 by theexile.
The reason I called him a fan was because he has been watching the club for several years and I know he loves the club, but really, really, really dislikes Jackson.

Quote:theexile
not wishing to diss your article in anyway Nathan, but how can you call anyone who gets an S.T. at another club a fan?
At the least he/she is fairweather, at worse a traitor to the cause.
As i'm the fan in question let me say that i have been going none stop now for 9 years (since i have been able to afford it and get to the ground). I have seen us nearly go under, the highs under Keith and the recent decline under Jacko. Despite getting a season ticket at Leeds i will still be going to about 20 Lincoln games next year. I haven't "Jumped ship" or become a traitor i have simply decided not to spend 300quid on a club who over the last 2 years have sold or released no fewer than 7 top earners and replaced them with unproven kids.
My worst nightmare.....poor start out of FA Cup in November (inevitable!!)...sack Jacko...so all the income from Freck Dany etc goes on manager compensation again....bring in similar with the 'this club has been in this division too long opening gambit'....repeat mistakes of the last few seasons again.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
we don't trade in family because they marry someone we dislike.
if you love the club as nathan says, HOW in hells name can you do such a traitorous deed.
Quote:theexile
That is no reason to get a n ST at another club, if lincoln is your club, it's your club whatever.
we don't trade in family because they marry someone we dislike.
if you love the club as nathan says, HOW in hells name can you do such a traitorous deed.
I am a Leeds fan as well thats why i can get a ST there. Last year i had a ST at Lincoln and went to as many Leeds games that i could. Does this make me a traitor to Leeds or Lincoln?
When i go to Leeds i enjoy myself the way i did when Keith was here which is what i go to watch football for. I still grit and bear going to lincoln but do i enjoy it? No! I go because i love lincoln City.
Quote:We've lost our most creative players? Kerr and Brown led the assists chart last year, and they're still here to that arguement is flawed.Normanstanley
Think you have got this one wrong Nathan.
Think we will be relegated this year.
No forwards and lost our most creative players.
I'm quite optimistic for this season. I have some reservations, but although we have a small squad we don't appear to be carrying anyone and there is a lot of flexibility; with players who can play in a number of positions.
From what I have seen of the defence it looks not just sound, but classy. We have cover all across the midfield and even without Kerr and LJL we have a choice from Butcher, Oakes, Clarke x2, Brown, Coleman-Carr and Hutchinson. That is at least 2 players per position across a four-man midfield.
We obviously need another striker, in particular a goal scorer, and injuries could be an issue, but in general I'm quite chipper.
I think the 3 key players will be Fagan, Butcher and Oakes. If they all perform as we all believe they can, then I can see us gaining automatic promotion. We can't afford to carry Oakes or Butcher and Fagan needs to score goals, but if we can avoid those two scenarios then onward and upward for me. Everything else should take care of itself.

he is one of many fans with two clubs.
Football makes the eyes all glazy, you always feel that your team is better than what it is and I always feel that we should beat any team in League 2!!
In relation to the Leeds (or any other team) v Lincoln....I understand people wanting a 2nd team when they support the likes of Lincoln, personally I could never support two teams and cannot get excited about another team scoring. The interesting point is IF we get promotion and Leeds have another shocker.....who will you cheer for? Which end will you sit in? Couldnt put myself in that position.
I dont imagine in a second that you thought Leeds would ever be in the position they are in now but that is realism and no team is invicible.
I am and always have been a one man team and I salute all lower and non league fans for turning up week in week out to watch mediocre football and watch your team consistently lose but I would never think of going down the road to watch Forest, Leeds, Sheff Wed or Sheff Utd. I am a Lincoln fan and proud of that.
A Rochdale site has us down for 4th, and thinks the signings to replace DNG et al have largely been good ones - but the writer acknowledged this time last year that he thought David Graham would be our key signing.....
Lets be positive and look forward to playing Leeds 2010-11!
ENGLAND!!
There are no others.

I am not really sure if I were to be given the choice between England winning another World Cup or Lincoln City winning League 2 who I would choose.
Probably England.,,
...if only because it would re-unite the nation.


Quote:StratfordImp
Firstly In relation to the Leeds (or any other team) v Lincoln....I understand people wanting a 2nd team when they support the likes of Lincoln, personally I could never support two teams and cannot get excited about another team scoring. The interesting point is IF we get promotion and Leeds have another shocker.....who will you cheer for? Which end will you sit in? Couldnt put myself in that position.
I hope that never happens but having seen Leeds last season at Elland Road tear MK Dons, Tranmere and a few others to pieces for 90 minutes i would be worried about how bad Leeds would make Lincoln look as it would be 3 or 4 without a struggle.
I think if a match between the 2 ever happens i would stay neutral and would prefer Lincoln to win but wouldn't be dissapointed if they didn't.
Quote:PoshImp
Forgive me for saying this, but I saw England win the World Cup in '66 - on black and white tv in Belgium of all places, and surrounded by Germans! I was 11 years old!! I have also seen Lincoln City win the title, in '76 and gain another championship in '88, a further two promotions and two appearances at Cardiff.
I am not really sure if I were to be given the choice between England winning another World Cup or Lincoln City winning League 2 who I would choose.
Probably England.,,
...if only because it would re-unite the nation.
Me too Posh ..... and the winning mentality under Capello is looking promising!

Agreed England look strong under Capello and of course I would LOVE for England to win the World Cup but would it give me the same rush as watching the Imps run out at the Milennium Stadium.....Watching them beat Wycombe to win the GMVC title, gaining promotion v Brighton.....No.
When we were relegated at Swansea in 87' it just made me feel numb i.e. shocked silence. When England lost on pens to Germany in WC90' I sat in the middle of Broadgate and roared my eyes out, and when we lost in EC96' I did untoward things to a nearby VW Golf in frustration!
I guess footie is a way for men to release pent up emotion, supressed in day-to-day life?

Aryan - It is weird for me - I get angry when Lincoln lose because for some bizarre reason I expect them to win!!??
With England - I kind of expect it - failing to qualify for Euro 2008....not a shock, World Cup 2004....not a shock. Penalty loses in WC 1990, 1998, 2006, Euro 96, 04....not a shock.
Poor Euro 1988, 2000....not a shock.
WC 1986....cheated and YES i was angry at that one!!
Disappointment more than anger. I've never cried after a football match (for football reasons exc Bradford, Hillsborough and Heysel) even the relegation to GMVC or losses at Milennium Stadium....never will I imagine.
My biggest moment of despair with regards Lincoln City simply has to be the last day of the 1986/87 season when all results conspired to force us out of the League, and not only that, but become the first club to do so automatically!
What a dreadful day that was...

Derby stuffed us 3-0 in front of recored crowd
Graham Taylor realising we were to remain a lower league club forever, then leaving for Watford.
All relegations.
Losing 0-5 at home to Watford.
Slaughtered at home to Barnet
Reames as manager.
John Schofield as manager.
Hopefully I've got thirty years left to live. I watched England win the world cup but I don't think Lincoln will ever go up two more divisions.
The crowd went quiet and I hardly remember them making a noise after that; they just stopped believing we could win.
Southampton went on to win 3-1 I think.

Quote:Lowest point of being am Imp I think.PoshImp
What a thoroughly interesting thread this has developed into.
My biggest moment of despair with regards Lincoln City simply has to be the last day of the 1986/87 season when all results conspired to force us out of the League, and not only that, but become the first club to do so automatically!
What a dreadful day that was...
Des Lynam was so pleased Burnley has stayed up and couldnt care less we had gone out of the league. All because Burnley were a founder member of the League!!!!!!

Relegation to GMVC was a shocker especially how it happened but what a great season followed in the Conference (except for 1st 3 games!!), we played some tosh that season...none more than Boston!!
Dave - how can you choose Champions League Semi Finals against Valencia rather than an away trip to Runcorn or Weadlstone??? LOL!!
Quote:That was bad but that was going for promotion going out the league was far far worst.heathimp
my lowest point as an imp was when i couldnt make it to hudders away in the playoffs, i was about 10 i think. cried all night.
Quote:theexile
That is no reason to get a n ST at another club, if lincoln is your club, it's your club whatever.
we don't trade in family because they marry someone we dislike.
if you love the club as nathan says, HOW in hells name can you do such a traitorous deed.
I think you're discussing this with the wrong people Exile. There are a lot of people on here who have 'other teams'!! I myself support another team and my heart essentially sees City as my 'second' club. But this doesn't mean I love City any less - just in a different way to some others.
Plus, League 2 is generally a pishy division and even the most hardened of fans can get hackd off with it and want to watch some better quality footie from time to time!
I think there are more proven players in the squad and we have a more united unit than this time last year. I think we'll be okay - it doesn't take a lot of get out of League 2 (just look at Brentford last season) so you never know.
We will know more tomorrow I think.
We are in a League in which the trapdoor leads out of the Football League.
I have been there once with the Imps and I don't want to go there again and so I will settle for 16th. Hoping for better, of course, but 16th will do if it comes to it.
We are starting afresh sadly 2 months into the season not the summer as it should of been.
Then we wouldn't be lumbered with the rubbish Jackson brought in.
Why did the board wait to sack him and do it May?
Questions must be asked about that for me.
Looked at some of the pre-season predictions and despite some people describing me as mental for some of my predictions, I'm doing reasonably well.

