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Another Question for the New Season.........Who is going to be Chairman?

I cant see past.............Shaun Harvey

I will be seriously F***ED OFF if Byram goes. Brian needs to sit him down and tell him he owes the club at least another year or two, particularly to the fans who pay outrageous prices to see them play. We need the likes of Byram - there aren't many like him - and if this trend continues we'll NEVER have a strong enough squad.

Come on Brian, grow some.

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I will be seriously F***ED OFF if Byram goes. Brian needs to sit him down and tell him he owes the club at least another year or two, particularly to the fans who pay outrageous prices to see them play. We need the likes of Byram - there aren't many like him - and if this trend continues we'll NEVER have a strong enough squad.
Come on Brian, grow some.

It won't be Byram seeking a move - it will be a money to good to refuse offer from an EPL club - If we could get £6m-£8m for him, then as a Championship club, without a rich sugar Daddy, we'd need to accept it - we;ve been willing to accept this in the past (ala Delph etc.) with the promise of the money going in to the team - than never materialised.

If Byram goes, then I can accept it if the money goes back to BMc to rebuild the team - we just don't want it to go on a restaurant, bar or Radio Station!

I'd like Sam to stay but if a Prem club offered the £8million + add ons that is rumoured, then I think it would be too good a deal to refuse for LUFC.

That money would help BMc bring in the players he wants and I am confident GFH will let him have it all.

I dont think it is the best move for Byram though. He needs at least another year at ER for his development. At LUFC he is loved by the fans, highly thought of by the coaches/manager and valued by his teammates. Unlikley to be the case eslewhere.

If he moves to one of the teams rumoured (City, Liverpool, Arsenal) then he may find he will only get a couple of first team games then be loaned out to a Championship side after Jan, which will hinder his progress.

He needs to be learning in a comfortable environment where his mistakes will be forgiven. His defending needs improvement as does his positional sense at the back.

Buy and loan back to us for season or is that not allowed ?

I have it on good authority that LUFC will refuse to answer any calls re-Byram unless they start with a Guaranteed 8m.
For me if we get that and Brian Mc gets a minimum 5/6m to spend i'll be happy with that beacuse that would be ample to bring enough quality and depth into the squad for a genuine promotion push.
Now before anyone kicks off the club and team are bigger than any one player and EVERY club in world football is a "selling club" it hurts when they are your best and homegrown but if we sell and spend the money on the team and go up or at least make the top 6 it will be worth it.

Not to question you or anything RW because I know you're a very regular poster....BUT....can this info be trusted or is it a case of "my best friends, cousins, uncle knows the cleaning lady at Thorpe Arch".....?

I also agree re no one player is bigger than the club. Most teams in this division could get promoted on £6m if the money was spent adequately, ie, if Neil Warnock wasn't in charge of going after players.

There Is Always Hope.

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I have it on good authority that LUFC will refuse to answer any calls re-Byram unless they start with a Guaranteed 8m.
For me if we get that and Brian Mc gets a minimum 5/6m to spend i'll be happy with that beacuse that would be ample to bring enough quality and depth into the squad for a genuine promotion push.
Now before anyone kicks off the club and team are bigger than any one player and EVERY club in world football is a "selling club" it hurts when they are your best and homegrown but if we sell and spend the money on the team and go up or at least make the top 6 it will be worth it.

With you on that.

Also being dispassionate for a monent, if we hang onto him for another year and he gets a bad injury for example, we may get f-ook all. At the moment he is nearly fully fit,or at least where his value is not affected,so cashing in now would make sense.

I would love him to stay and be part of a bright LUFC future but I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Buy and loan back to us for season or is that not allowed ?

Yeah its allowed, S.cum bought Zaha and loaned him back to Palace for the season

Ross' @#$%&-It's a trusted source who has no reason to BS and has been reliable on past comings and goings.

Cool! Cheers Rhino!

It's good to know that we'll at least hold out for a strong bid and not be held to ransom!

There Is Always Hope.

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Ross' @#$%&-It's a trusted source who has no reason to BS and has been reliable on past comings and goings.

Seriously hope they're right Rhino. Increasingly worried about just what GFH Capital are all about. Their dodgy website being the basis of my concerns then the financial reports that are getting published (and talked about in the thread from the other day). Not to mention how Haigh and Patel seem intent on shrouding their (business) plan for the club. Definitely need more transparency that I hope McDermott will help establish as he has hinted.



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No club will offer £8m for Byram, however £3-4m could be a realistic offer. Not sure whether I would want to take it but that would pay for a striker and a winger, and allow Peltier to slot in at right back.

Leeds might be looking ahead to next season but their attitudes to finance certainly aren't changing:

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would be sad to see SB go if it happens, but money talks these days we all know that and as long as the manager gets the vast majority of the tranfer money then so be it.

However i would hope we LUFC would impress strongly to Sam that we dont want to sell him and that moving to a top flight club may not improve him as a player, and use the examples of beckford & delph as senarios.

FD was the be all and end when at leeds and the future looked bright (bang a move to an average side in the PL and what has he done since?) very little improvement, dosent stand out on the pitch anymore so for me Delph is the perfect example of how player development is affected by moving to another Club.

Now all the talk is Sam is being looked at by "bigger" Clubs so its almost certain he would be loaned back to a championship side anyway.

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After the long, long, purchase of the club and all the hype GFH received as beng a middle eastern bank with funds to buy the club, buy the stadium along with Thorp Arch, plus provide enough cash for players....

They have bought the club, sold a small amount to another investment bank, given a small amount of equity to current directors..wooo woo what now?......

The only positive thing they have done in the progress of the footballing side of the club is to appoint Brian McDermott as manager, I only hope they are not doing a Bates and filling him with empty promises and excuses why we cant buy players of the standard needed for a promotion push......


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Byeam will NOT attract a fee of £8 million....£3 million tops. And he will go this summer and GFH will pocket the money. There will be no big transfers..just loans and freebies again. But with brian mac we will finish higher in the table and we might even finish in the play-offs.

TYPING IT IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT THACKERS.
I've said it and i stand by it LUFC wont entertain any talks or approaches that aren't within the asking price which is 8M!!
This has come from within the club mate i don't make things up and apparently it's out there amongst the interested partys that its 8m.

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TYPING IT IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT THACKERS.
I've said it and i stand by it LUFC wont entertain any talks or approaches that aren't within the asking price which is 8M!!
This has come from within the club mate i don't make things up and apparently it's out there amongst the interested partys that its 8m.

It's still a red herring,as no club will play £8m for Byram. Personally I'm glad as I don't want us to sell him.

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TYPING IT IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT THACKERS.
I've said it and i stand by it LUFC wont entertain any talks or approaches that aren't within the asking price which is 8M!!
This has come from within the club mate i don't make things up and apparently it's out there amongst the interested partys that its 8m.

No but it makes it EASIER TO READ!..ok fair enough bud..just saying i don't think he'll attract offers of any where near 8 million (no matter what the club values him at)

To be fair Thackers i think we'd be better off keeping him as long as we back Brian Mc with signings but should we have to sell i dont think any team will get him under 5m cash.
The club seem very resolute and determined in their stance and now he's set to be an England u20 player his value will only go up imo.

Dunno why people think he wouldn't commnd that sort of money.....far worse players have gone for more....8 mill to some clubs is pocket money these days....anyway hopefully a high price tag will put most off anyway. Would personally like to see him stay.

For 8m cash we'll have to let him go, that'll give BMac a transfer kitty.

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Dunno why people think he wouldn't commnd that sort of money.....far worse players have gone for more....8 mill to some clubs is pocket money these days....anyway hopefully a high price tag will put most off anyway. Would personally like to see him stay.

Not many championship player have gone for £8m, especially right backs. If you can name a championship right back who went for £8m I'll be impressed, though somehow I doubt you will.

Agree we have no chance of getting 8 million for Sam but it sounds like a negotiating position to me,like there saying serious bidders only please,no time wasters.Hope the lad stays unless we get not a penny less than 6 million.That would be useful money this summer,assuming B Mc sees most of it,but would rather hold onto the better young players,they sound like the sort of quality and potential we couldn't afford to buy.

Anything over 6m and I would RELUCTANTLY sell Byram as long as that dosh would go into funding players.

I have always said build a team around 3/4 youngsters without selling them for a few years but I don't think GFH have enough cash to get us to the Premier.

Sam's cash would pay for Matt Mills, Mad Max and Beckford with Peltier stepping into his rightful position of RB....nobody could say that is not an improvement on last season.

Getting rid of another 4/5 deadwood off the wage bill could fund another 2/3 prudent freebies for a good squad without spending any money in theory....

BYRAM OUT....ALL PLAYERS HAVE A S-HIT 2nd SEASON ANYWAY

Would love those three T.C Max and Becks would significantly increase our strike power,give us the cutting edge to Finnish off sides when we're on top which we lacked last season.

nah most expensive I can find is Kyle walker sheff utd to spurs for just over 5. Although sam could easily slot into a right midfield role depends how you want to play him and plenty have gone for more.

Why are so many dead set that Byram is JUST a RB??
Look at where Bale started as a ropey LB!!!
Byram has the talent to easily slot into RM and then maybe CM as he gets older and more experience Football has 1000's of examples of young players starting in 1 position but moving to another 1 as they get older and develop into better players.
Also IF Zaha is worth 15m and Ince the same or more then Byram is worth 8m all day long.
Also Papa its not 8m for a RB its 8m for a very very good young player who's just had a cracking 1st season and has just made it into the u20 England squad.
These situations are where you also pay for the potential when buying youngsters.

Think it's because he's always played at right back.

Here's a list of the top championship transfers, unless you're a striker you won't get big money. And it's only experienced defenders that clubs shed out cash, not those with only one year on their cv. Kyle Walker went for £5.2, Greg Halford £4m, Luke Young £3.3m, John Stones £3.1m.


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There's also now an issue of cash liquidity. Outside the top 4-6 clubs, very few have much money to splash about.

personally i can see SB pushed up to RB,
i'd definitely like to see him there for
us but if the moneys right he'll go.

Personally i will be overjoyed if BM turns round and says Byram is not for sale,he does not want to leave and i want to keep him...With full backing from GFH.

Pending the amount of money we have to spend could see a Leeds united side filled with youth. Imagine we see in the preseason the following line up...

Kenny
Byram, Lees, Pearce, White
Thompson, N.Turner L.Turner
Dawson
McCormack, Peleon

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Pending the amount of money we have to spend could see a Leeds united side filled with youth. Imagine we see in the preseason the following line up...
Kenny
Byram, Lees, Pearce, White
Thompson, N.Turner L.Turner
Dawson
McCormack, Peleon

I quite like the look of that team. Cairns, Killock and Mowatt on the subs bench.

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Pending the amount of money we have to spend could see a Leeds united side filled with youth. Imagine we see in the preseason the following line up...
Kenny
Byram, Lees, Pearce, White
Thompson, N.Turner L.Turner
Dawson
McCormack, Peleon

I quite like the look of that team. Cairns, Killock and Mowatt on the subs bench.

That team would be cannon fodder in the Championship, relegated by a distance.

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Pending the amount of money we have to spend could see a Leeds united side filled with youth. Imagine we see in the preseason the following line up...
Kenny
Byram, Lees, Pearce, White
Thompson, N.Turner L.Turner
Dawson
McCormack, Peleon

I quite like the look of that team. Cairns, Killock and Mowatt on the subs bench.

That team would be cannon fodder in the Championship, relegated by a distance.

Have you watched them play? I think you're talking @#$%&. Byram and Lee's and McCormack have been our best players over the past couple of years whereas you just want to to sign journeyman. Who was the last championship signing to do a damned thing for us? The only decent players we've had have been the youth team and signings from the lower leagues,so show them some respect, why don't you.



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I think We've seen enough of Lees and Pearce defending together this yera and White at LB to know they'd get over-run.
The CM 3 would definately get over-run and Dawson still has plenty to learn and growing to do.
If your going to intorduce that many youngsters at once it needs to be a cup game against League 1/2 opposition.
Not only that one of the Turners is more of a RB than a CM and as much as i'd like to see Thompson starting in the CM he needs experience along side him.
Also back to yer transfers of yester-year from this League what about Zaha and posssibly Ince??
Byram is easily worth well over 5M and he wont go for anything less and that's ignoring the opening negotiation price firmly quoted by the Club.

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I think We've seen enough of Lees and Pearce defending together this yera and White at LB to know they'd get over-run.
The CM 3 would definately get over-run and Dawson still has plenty to learn and growing to do.
If your going to intorduce that many youngsters at once it needs to be a cup game against League 1/2 opposition.
Not only that one of the Turners is more of a RB than a CM and as much as i'd like to see Thompson starting in the CM he needs experience along side him.
Also back to yer transfers of yester-year from this League what about Zaha and posssibly Ince??
Byram is easily worth well over 5M and he wont go for anything less and that's ignoring the opening negotiation price firmly quoted by the Club.

Cheers Rhino, you've done a lot of my work for me there!

Papa - yes I certainly have seen them play, have you? I asked you a couple of times recently on a different thread if you'd ever seen Killock play for one, and you failed to answer.

Who says I want us to sign journeymen? I want us to sign better quality. Just because a player may be young and eager, it doesn't necessarily make him good enough. And as I stated recently, if we go in to the new season with the central-defensive pairing of Lees and Pearce we may as well forget promotion now.

We need a mixture of young players who are ready, such as Byram, and some experience too if we are going to be contenders next season.

On a side-note Papa, what did you say when Wilko signed the likes of Varadi, Shutt, McClelland etc? I bet you weren't too happy!

Oh and for the record - I think you're talking &*$% if you want to be like that! This isn't Football Manager!



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I'd never even heard of John Stones

Don't we have scouts round Leeds where we can 'bully' teams like Barnsley and poach their best players before other clubs get in?

It's like a food chain where teams like Citeh, Everton and Chelscum 'bully' us into selling our best youth....

Surely we can do the same....

If someone offered 8 million for SB it would be ridiculous. I reckon he's probably worth 3-5 million, 5 being the absolute limit. He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not worth 8 million. Sam is not as valuable as Zaha or Ince. Zaha looks quality from what I've seen of him, Sam is very good but doesn't have Zaha's x factor.

Sam put Zaha in his back pocket twice this season????

McDERMOTT IN!!!!

along with bale and lennon when they switched.....big pockets has our sam

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Sam put Zaha in his back pocket twice this season????

Don't know if you were at the palace game at ER this year, but my memory of that game is that Zaha played very well, byram played ok also but remember being very very impressed with Zaha, he certainly wasn't in byram's back pocket. Leeds won 2-1 but we were extremely fortunate to win that game. To be fair though to win any game under Borenock we needed to be lucky.

Fck Zaha.....Bale didn't get a sniff and when him and lennon swapped neither did lennon, that said white did a job that night too. To me that was when Byram really stood out for me. Nothing better than seeing Bale get frustrated.

All this talk of 'would we accept X to let Byram go' misses a big factor: Byram himself. If he says he wants to play for a different club and doesn't want to play for Leeds, or demands so much money that it would break the wage structure, then the club would have no feasible option than to let him go.

That's the reality. Stop looking for heroes.

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I think We've seen enough of Lees and Pearce defending together this yera and White at LB to know they'd get over-run.
The CM 3 would definately get over-run and Dawson still has plenty to learn and growing to do.
If your going to intorduce that many youngsters at once it needs to be a cup game against League 1/2 opposition.

Could not agree more Rhino/Snowy et al.

I find it incredible that having just watched essentially that defence finish mid-table (could have been in bottom 5 quite easily) people are advocating playing the same bloody players supported by an unproven lightweight array of youngsters .

Dawson had a very decent hour in the first X1 - but he is woefully short of muscle and was knocked off the ball as quickly as he tired once his young legs went. Understandably so.

I think "canno-fodder" is putting it mildly personally.

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I think We've seen enough of Lees and Pearce defending together this yera and White at LB to know they'd get over-run.
The CM 3 would definately get over-run and Dawson still has plenty to learn and growing to do.
If your going to intorduce that many youngsters at once it needs to be a cup game against League 1/2 opposition.

Could not agree more Rhino/Snowy et al.

I find it incredible that having just watched essentially that defence finish mid-table (could have been in bottom 5 quite easily) people are advocating playing the same bloody players supported by an unproven lightweight array of youngsters .

Dawson had a very decent hour in the first X1 - but he is woefully short of muscle and was knocked off the ball as quickly as he tired once his young legs went. Understandably so.

I think "canno-fodder" is putting it mildly personally.

All about opinions, mind.