Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2


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By Eduardo
June 25 2013

When Pat Rice retired from his role of first team coach last summer, youth team coach Steve Bould and Reserve Manager Neil Bandfield were promoted in his place.This left a major voids to fill, at U18 Manager and Reserve Team Manage. It’s my understanding that several former Gooner first teamers where considered and even contacted for the job, but for one reason or another none of them were interested enough to take on the role.

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Coaching

 For the reserve team managers job Arsenal made as far as I’m concerned a very good choice in Terry Burton.  He has been very successful at helping Arsenal to produce very good players in the past such as Adams, Keown, Thomas, Merson, Rocastle etc.  Burton became Arsenal Reserve and Head Development Coach, which actually ended up with him doing more on the development side of things with Steve Gatting doing extra duties with the U21’s (reserve team on match days).

But Arsenal made a choice right out of left field when appointing a new U18 Manager, Pat Holland the former West Ham player.  This just did not work out at all, he did not last long in the job, it was never made clear if he was removed from the role or if he stepped down, and if he was sacked was there more to it than purely results.  Amid rumours that right from the off many in the Academy – other coaches, staff and players – had major doubts about his coaching style, especially his man management skills, which was seen as very un Arsenal, in that his constant shouting instructions at players during games was seen as more of a distraction to them than a help.  He was seen as old school by many or more to the point out dated. 

Steve Gatting, the former Arsenal player, and already a mainstay of the Academy was promoted to the role for a while, but as already mentioned he also moved up to reserve team duties, what made this whole thing odd was that he had not got the job in the first place as he was seen as the best man for the role he already held, which combined coaching with helping the young players with their educational needs.

 

We also seen by the seasons end Carl Laramar promoted to the management of the U18’s, he has had a fine record managing the U15 and 16’s, and it will be interesting to see if he can make the step up. So lots of coaching staff changes made over the course of the last year at all levels, including former Gooner player Kwame Ampadu joining the Academy (u14/15)

Big Changes Coming

There are more changes afoot at Arsenal Academy this summer, with the possibility of the biggest of all happening.  Liam Brady announced during last season that he would not be renewing his contract as Head of Arsenal Youth Academy, when his deal runs out in 2014.  He is willing to stay on in that role for next season if Arsenal do not find a suitable replacement, but he will happily step aside this summer if the right man can be persuaded to come in.

There have been discussions at the club as to suitable replacements, I do hope Arsenal do not take the easy option and just promote David Court from this role as assistant.  I would much rather one of the other higher calibre names mentioned be selected.  Dermot Drummy, who was a fine coach in the Arsenal Academy for years before taking over the youth teams at Chelsea has been mentioned, and there are reports that he has told Chelsea that he is leaving them this summer, media reports say he has chance of getting a job as manager of some League 1 clubs or even a championship side.

 I hope he can be persuaded to return to Arsenal.  The other names being whispered at London Colney as being possible are Marc Overmars and Dennis Bergkamp, possibly even both coming in, Overmars taking over the Brady role, which is similar to the one he holds now at Ajax, and Bergkamp coming in as one of the coaches.  Maybe another step in copying the Bayern Munich model Ivan Gazidis seems so fond of.

 

Talking of which, I hear a little rumour that the new role Arsenal are considering for Liam Brady is a place on the Arsenal Board, sadly the perfect scenario would have been for Brady to have replaced  Peter Hill-Wood as Chairman.  But it seems we do not want to go too far with copying Bayern Munich, so Sir Chips gets that job instead.

 

Youth Player Cull Not A Sign Of Problems

Something like 14 youths and young pros are leaving Arsenal this summer, and I have seen several bloggers suggest that this shows that our Academy System is a mess.  Firstly let me state that only about ten of those players leave by Arsenal’s choice, 3 or 4 of them where offered new contracts by Arsenal but refused them as they did not see a clear path in to the first team.  Anyway its 14 players leaving and this has got a few bloggers knickers in a twist.  I’m of the view that this is fantastic news, following on from last summer when we also discarded a large amount of youths, we are back to how it should be, decisions have to be made on the likelihood of them making it at Arsenal, and once we decide they will not make it then of course they should be let go..

Too many times in the past the club have handed out pro deals to players who had little or no chance of being good enough for the first team, we even gave a contract to a player who failed to find a new club after we had released him and he has the distinction of being released two years in a row by Arsenal – (yes it was a special case, as he had awful luck with injuries in his two year Academy stay, and it was a nice gesture by the club, but should it have been made). 

This summer Arsenal assessed the players in a proper manner, some of the questions asked were – are they good enough to make it in the Arsenal first team within two years, will they force their way in to the first team picture past those already ahead of them within two years, have the more potential than those coming behind them-and if the answer to any of those questions was no, then no deal, thanks and bye, just as it should be.

  Since I began writing this article news has filtered through that one of those we released – Zack Fagan – has now been offered an extra year in our Academy, this slightly concerns me, is this back track due to a change of opinion about him, did we miss out on a young signing we intended to make, or did someone just realise that letting him go meant we are short of bodies in his position.  Whatever the reason, I don't see it as being good.

 

So What Is The Answer To The Question In The Title

There is a peculiar fascination Gooners have with our Youth players, only rivalled by Man U fans with theirs, maybe this is due to the fact both have long histories of having trophy winning sides backboned by own produced players, unrivalled by any other English teams.  The problem with this fascination is that any Tom, Dick or Harry who plays for our youth team tends to get far too many column inches written about them, too many Youtube clips posted and too many mentions on a Merlion list (Arsenal Times regulars will know what I mean), the expectations are built up far too much.  So when they invariably fail to become real stars the frustrated Gooners in Blog World have the usual over simplistic childlike reaction that the Academy is a failure, a hoax, a waste of money etc, when the reality is much different. 

Something like only 2% of kids taken on by pro clubs in England at 16 manage to still be in the pro game by 21.  Arsenal’s Academy has much better stats than that over the last ten years, and one look at our regular first team last season shows even better again, Szczesny, Gibbs and Wilshere.   Add in other players from our Academy who are on the fringes of the first team squad like Miquel, Coquelin, Gnabry etc and the stats look good.

 

So to finally answer the question, although it needs to be and can be better, its still a success as far as I’m concerned, not the roaring success that Wenger's utopian dream aims for,  I really hope it becomes the sort of success Wenger envisages for it, and hopefully sometime real soon.  Overmars as Head of Youth Academy, Bergkamp as a Youth Coach, other former players like Keown, Seaman or even to poach the best coaches from other top Academies across the world, and put Brady on the Board and I’d start to believe we could well copy the Bayern Munich model Ivan seems so fond of these days.

Finally in passing I would point out that I deliberately have not gone into discussing what players we have coming through the Academy who may make it big at Arsenal, for the simple reason that as already stated I believe we tend to over hype them as it is, so they and we don't need another article jazzing up their reputations.

Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 25/06/2013 19:30

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Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 25/06/2013 19:59

The last paragraph is bang-on.

My second match at Highbury saw Jermaine Pennant bag a first half hat-trick and Ryan Gerry look a very promising left-back with power and pace who covered the whole pitch on the left.

Ryan Garry blew out his knee later that match and Jermaine Pennant 's head was too big and torpedoed his potential at Arsenal and he never scored another Premiership Goal for us after that that I recall though he might have bagged another one or two.

Best for us to just let the kids grow up quietly earn their place and judge them then really. Best for Arsenal not to rely so heavily on so many of those kids making it.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 10:45

I would not say that our academy is a failure, but apart from cesc, the others like gibbs,sczesney,ramsey even wilshere after his injury would not be starting for us if we were competing for top honours.

They are first team players, because the other players we have are inferior to them and we dont want to pay for players who are better than them.

gibbs for e.g. is not was ashley cole was for us. You can say gibbs wil improve, but at what cost? surely anyone who has not reached that level shouldnt be a regular first choice FB.
Even if you take chance sin oen position, you cannot groom everyone in different positions at the same time which we are doign in case of all of the above

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: Indiangooner (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 11:03

doubt how long Miquel n Coqulein wld remain at the club

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 15:36

The idea that the acadmeny would become a conveyor belt into the first team, providing 10 or eleven players at a time would delusional of Wenger if thats what he thnks he is doing.

Ramsey wasnt develped by the academy, nor was the Ox or Theo. It is a limited output, not worse than most but certainly no better

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 15:39

No I think that is what the club sold to us from the summer of 2005 onward. It was another way of selling the Club not spending more money.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 15:41

Yes its the developmental model, a delusion Wenger has probably abandoned.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 15:47

No its just part of a cost-cutting/profit increasing exercise that dovetails perfectly with the Board over-borrowing to redevelop Highbury which benefitted the club's main shareholders (on the Board wouldn't you know) far more than it ever has the football club.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 17:12

padre the aim is that it will eventually lead to 10 or 11 or the 25 man squad being academy products, and also that this would happen over a long period, not all in one go, maybe a 7 year period, if we can get one or two first team players, be they starters or squad men. even one of each on average each year it would be seen as a total success, that is the aim, we are only at the early stages of it.

Buying in young players for the first team squad was a different part of Wenger's development plan, its a pity so many confuse the two

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 17:45

I don't think the two initiatives are confused as much as they are different parts of the same project.

I think your last post crystallizes the goal of any academy at any club including Arsenal Football Club pretty solidly.

The problem is the timing of all this at the same time as the Club looking to roll back investment in the first team to cover their overborrowing to try and push the value of their shares upward redveloping Highbury would be questionable - at best.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 17:51

I have to add its funny how everything good that is supposed to happen for Arsenal is five, ten and twenty years off(another blind-faither told me we shouldn't judge redeveloping Highbury for another fifty years ffs),but every thing good that happened for the shareholders has already happened.

We still have to wait indefinitely but the millionaires already got their tablesbefore now even.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 18:37

Quote: Buying in young players for the first team squad was a different part of Wenger's development plan, its a pity so many confuse the two

I think the club is happy to have confusion on that Eddy

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2013 19:10

Absolutely bang-on Padre - confusion of the supporters is their m.o. in all of this

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: mapleleafgooner (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2013 04:50

In terms of producing top class home grown players during the Wenger era, I only see Cesc, Wilshere and Schezny in that category. They came thru the youth system and developed into the players they are today and contributed to Arsenal's first team significantly. I don't see anyone else to be honest. In that regards, I consider the youth academy a failure.

Re: Success or Failure Arsenal Academy Focus, Part 2
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2013 15:43

AFC Academy ‏@AFCAcademy 19m

Fun Fact: Herbert Chapman set up Arsenal’s youth system on this day in 1933.

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

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