Can we win the Wenger Cup this season
By Merlion
December 25 2014
Merry Xmas to all our readers. Arsenal's consistency has been somewhat lacking this season and has left some fans wondering can Arsenal actually win the Wenger Cup this year. Even the ever optimitic Arseblog is beginning to doubt it. Below our resident statitician trys to predict what the total points will be for this season and if that will be enough. The tables are based on points gained after the 17th game of the season reducing the 18th game to a starting point of zero. Got it? Well you have hours of mind numbing Xmas day to work it out - good luck (The Editor). Merlion's prediction follows:
December 21, 2013 - Round #17 Results
W … D … L ….. F ….. A … +/- __ Points
13 … 3 … 1 … 38 … 13 … 25 … … 42 … (1) Chelsea
12 … 3 … 2 … 36 … 14 … 22 … … 39 … (2) Manchester City
09 … 5 … 3 … 30 … 18 … 12 … … 32 … (3) Manchester United
09 … 4 … 4 … 29 … 19 … 10 … … 31 … (4) West Ham United
09 … 2 … 6 … 28 … 13 … 15 … … 29 … (5) Southampton
07 … 6 … 4 … 30 … 21 … 09 … … 27 … (6) Arsenal
08 … 3 … 6 … 22 … 23 …. -1 … … 27 … (7) Tottenham Hotspur
07 … 4 … 6 … 22 … 19 … 03 … … 25 … (8) Swansea
06 … 5 … 6 … 18 … 23 …. -5 … … 23 … (9) Newcastle
06 … 4 … 7 … 21 … 24 …. -3 … … 22 … (10) Liverpool
05 … 6 … 6 … 27 … 27 … 00 … … 21 … (11) Everton
This is the starting point for the famous Wenger Cup 2014/15 Playoff won by Arsenal FC for the last 4 seasons (with one season being 3rd and Chelski, being CL Cup winner replacing Tiny Totts at 4th spot).
The starting point is when I reduce the 6th spot - Arsenal - point counts to zero with “playoff” starts at Round #18 on December 26, 2014 Boxing Day weekend:
December 26, 2014 – Round #18 with Round #17 results “zeroise” with Arsenal results as the start with Arsenal 5 points behind Manchester United and 4 points behind WHU in 4th spot.
Lady Luck had kindly given us a fixture schedule that we play WHU and Saints in succession during Christmas Weekend to close the gap to 4th spot. Let’s see which team(s) will go down the Table faster that Christmas dressings in the New Year.
+/- indicates the goal difference.
() indicates their league table standing at Round #17 and the other () indicates latest position after every round:
[W … D … L … +/-…Points ...17th ... Round #18
00 … 0 … 0 … 03 … 05 … … (1) … (1) Manchester United
00 … 0 … 0 … 01 … 04 … … (2) … (2) West Ham United
00 … 0 … 0 … 06 … 02 … … (3) … (3) Southampton
00 … 0 … 0 … 00 … 00 … … (4) … (4) Arsenal
00 … 0 … 0 .. -10 … 00 … … (5) … (5) Tottenham Hotspur
00 … 0 … 0 …. -6 … -2 … … (6) … (6) Swansea
00 … 0 … 0 .. -14 …. -4 … … (7) … (7) Newcastle
00 … 0 … 0 .. -12 …. -5 … … (8) … (8) Liverpool
00 … 0 … 0 …. -9 … -6 … … (9) … (9) Everton
If we are unbeaten for the rest of our matches, total points collected are:
1 – H – QPR … win 3 points
2 – A – WHU … win 6 points
3 – A – Saints … win 9 points
4 – H – Stoke … win 12 points
5 – A - Manchester City … draw 13 points
6 – H - Aston Villa … win 16 points
7 – A - Tiny Totts … draw 17 points
8 – H – Leicester … win 20 points
9 – A – Palace … win 23 points
10– H – Everton … draw 24 points
11– A – QPR … win 27 points
12– H – WHU … win 30 points
13– A – Newcastle … draw 31 points
14– H – Liverpool … draw 32 points
15– A – Burnley … win 35 points
16– H – Sunderland… win 38 points
17– H – Chelski … draw 39 points
18– A – Hull City … win 42 points
19– H – Swansea … win 45 points
20– A – Manchester United … draw 46 points
21– H – WBA … win 49 points
14 wins + 7 draws = 49 points
Maximum achievable points if we remain unbeaten = 27 + 49 the total will = 76 points, enough to win Wenger Cup?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015:01:01:15:40:18 by Padre Pio.
"𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁. 𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴."
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Quote:Neither has he ever won the prestigious Emirates cup.Padre Pio
Yes but has Mourinho won the Wenger cup so often?
Quote:He hasnt even qualified to be in itBeyondQuote:Neither has he ever won the prestigious Emirates cup.Padre Pio
Yes but has Mourinho won the Wenger cup so often?
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
Quote:He must be @#$%& missing out this trophy in his CVPadre PioQuote:He hasnt even qualified to be in itBeyondQuote:Neither has he ever won the prestigious Emirates cup.Padre Pio
Yes but has Mourinho won the Wenger cup so often?
• Saints won 3-1 and ManU beat Newcastle 3-1 (GD=+2)
• Liverpool and Swansea won 1-0 (GD = +1)
• Arsenal and Tiny Totts won 2-1 (GD = +1)
• Everton lost 0-1 with GD = -1
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Look like WHU, Newcastle and Everton will be out of Wenger Cup after the next 2 matches?
+/- indicates the goal difference.
() indicates their league table standing at Round #17 and the other () indicates latest position after every round:
[W … D … L … +/-…Points ...17th ... Round #18[/b]
01 … 0 … 0 … 05 … 08 … … (1) … (1) Manchester United
01 … 0 … 0 … 08 … 05 … … (3) … (2) Southampton
00 … 0 … 1 …. -1 … 04 … … (2) … (3) West Ham United
01 … 0 … 0 … 01 … 03 … … (4) … (4) Arsenal
01 … 0 … 0 …. -9 … 03 … … (5) … (5) Tottenham Hotspur
00 … 0 … 0 …. -5 … -1 … … (6) … (6) Swansea
00 … 0 … 0 .. -11 …. -2 … … (8) … (7) Liverpool
00 … 0 … 0 .. -16 …. -4 … … (7) … (8) Newcastle
00 … 0 … 0 .. -10 …. -6 … … (9) … (9) Everton
If we are unbeaten for the rest of our matches, total points collected are:
1 –
2 – A – WHU … win 6 points
3 – A – Saints … win 9 points
4 – H – Stoke … win 12 points
5 – A - Manchester City … draw 13 points
6 – H - Aston Villa … win 16 points
7 – A - Tiny Totts … draw 17 points
8 – H – Leicester … win 20 points
9 – A – Palace … win 23 points
10– H – Everton … draw 24 points
11– A – QPR … win 27 points
12– H – WHU … win 30 points
13– A – Newcastle … draw 31 points
14– H – Liverpool … draw 32 points
15– A – Burnley … win 35 points
16– H – Sunderland… win 38 points
17– H – Chelski … draw 39 points
18– A – Hull City … win 42 points
19– H – Swansea … win 45 points
20– A – Manchester United … draw 46 points
21– H – WBA … win 49 points
14 wins + 7 draws = 49 points
We can climb up to 2nd spot behind ManU by beating WHU, Saints and Stoke City in succession.
Do we want Tiny Totts to beat ManU or vice-versa on 28-Dec-2014?
• Saints, Chelski, ManU, Tiny Totts and Abu Dhabi City all drew their matches.
• Liverpool and Swansea playing tonight
• Arsenal won 2-1
• Newcastle beat Everton 3-2
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Look like WHU, Newcastle, Swansea and Everton will be out of Wenger Cup after the next 2 matches?
Saints is really going strong and it is a "must win" game against them on 1-Jan-15!
+/- indicates the goal difference.
() indicates their league table standing at Round #17 and the other () indicates latest position after every round:
[W … D … L … +/-…Points ...17th ... Round #19[/b]
01 … 1 … 0 … 05 … 09 … … (1) … (1) Manchester United
01 … 1 … 0 … 08 … 06 … … (3) … (2) Southampton
02 … 0 … 0 … 02 … 06 … … (4) … (3) Arsenal
00 … 0 … 2 …. -2 … 04 … … (2) … (4) West Ham United
01 … 1 … 0 …. -9 … 04 … … (5) … (5) Tottenham Hotspur
02 … 0 … 0 …. -8 … 01 … … (8) … (6) Liverpool
01 … 0 … 1 …. -8 …. -1 … … (6) … (7) Swansea
01 … 0 … 1 .. -15 …. -1 … … (7) … (8) Newcastle
00 … 0 … 2 .. -11 …. -6 … … (9) … (9) Everton
If we are unbeaten for the rest of our matches, total points collected are:
1 –
2 –
3 – A – Saints … win 9 points
4 – H – Stoke … win 12 points
5 – A - Manchester City … draw 13 points
6 – H - Aston Villa … win 16 points
7 – A - Tiny Totts … draw 17 points
8 – H – Leicester … win 20 points
9 – A – Palace … win 23 points
10– H – Everton … draw 24 points
11– A – QPR … win 27 points
12– H – WHU … win 30 points
13– A – Newcastle … draw 31 points
14– H – Liverpool … draw 32 points
15– A – Burnley … win 35 points
16– H – Sunderland… win 38 points
17– H – Chelski … draw 39 points
18– A – Hull City … win 42 points
19– H – Swansea … win 45 points
20– A – Manchester United … draw 46 points
21– H – WBA … win 49 points
14 wins + 7 draws = 49 points
We can climb up to 2nd spot behind ManU by beating WHU, Saints and Stoke City in succession.
If we beat Saints and Stoke City, it will confirm that it is the beginning of one of our perennial unbeaten run (6 matches or more) every season after all those blips.
Do we want Tiny Totts to beat Chelski or vice-versa on 1-Jan-2015?
Guess not. It is a "must" that Chelski beat Tiny Totts.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014:12:30:00:03:46 by Merlion96.
"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.
• Arsenal lost 1-2 to Saints.
• Liverpool drew 2-2 with Leicester and ManU drew 1-1 with Stoke City.
• West Ham, Newcastle and Swansea all drew their matches and mostly likely will be out of Wenger Cup soon.
• Tiny Totts beat Chelski 5-3!
• Everton is out of Wenger Cup after losing 0-2 to Hull City.
Look like Saints is a serious contender for Wenger Cup after the next 2 matches?
+/- indicates the goal difference.
() indicates their league table standing at Round #17 and the other () indicates latest position after every round:
W … D … L … +/-…Points ...17th ... Round #20
01 … 2 … 0 … 05 … 10 … … (1) … (1) Manchester United
02 … 1 … 0 … 10 … 09 … … (3) … (2) Southampton
02 … 1 … 0 …. -7 … 07 … … (5) … (3) Tottenham Hotspur
02 … 0 … 1 … 00 … 06 … … (4) … (4) Arsenal
00 … 1 … 2 …. -2 … 05 … … (2) … (5) West Ham United
02 … 1 … 0 …. -8 … 02 … … (8) … (6) Liverpool
01 … 1 … 1 …. -8 … 02 … … (6) … (7) Swansea
01 … 1 … 1 .. -15 … 00 … … (7) … (8) Newcastle
If we have only one loss for the rest of our matches, total points collected are:
1 –
2 –
3 –
4 – H – Stoke … win 9 points
5 – A - Manchester City … draw 10 points
6 – H - Aston Villa … win 13 points
7 – A - Tiny Totts … draw 14 points
8 – H – Leicester … win 17 points
9 – A – Palace … win 20 points
10– H – Everton … draw 21 points
11– A – QPR … win 24 points
12– H – WHU … win 27 points
13– A – Newcastle … draw 28 points
14– H – Liverpool … draw 29 points
15– A – Burnley … win 32 points
16– H – Sunderland… win 35 points
17– H – Chelski … draw 36 points
18– A – Hull City … win 39 points
19– H – Swansea … win 42 points
20– A – Manchester United … draw 43 points
21– H – WBA … win 46 points
13 wins + 7 draws + 1 loss = 46 points
Maximum points = 33 + 46 = 79 points, enough for Top-4 finish?
A real struggle to even win 4th spot.
• Arsenal beat Stoke City 3-0.
• Liverpool beat Sunderland 1-0.
• West Ham and Swansea drew 1-1 and mostly likely will be out of Wenger Cup soon.
• Tiny Totts lost to Palace 1-2 and ManU lost 0-1 to Saints!
• Newcastle is out of Wenger Cup after losing 0-2 to Chelski.
• Everton is out of Wenger Cup after drawing 1-1 with Abu Dhabi City.
Look like Saints is a serious contender for Wenger Cup and if they continue to win their next 3 matches?
+/- indicates the goal difference.
() indicates their league table standing at Round #17 and the other () indicates latest position after every round:
W … D … L … +/-…Points ...17th ... Round #21
03 … 1 … 0 … 11 … 12 … … (3) … (1) Southampton
01 … 2 … 1 … 04 … 10 … … (1) … (2) Manchester United
03 … 0 … 1 … 03 … 09 … … (4) … (3) Arsenal
02 … 1 … 1 …. -8 … 07 … … (5) … (4) Tottenham Hotspur
00 … 2 … 2 …. -2 … 06 … … (2) … (5) West Ham United
03 … 1 … 0 …. -7 … 05 … … (8) … (6) Liverpool
If we have only one loss for the rest of our matches, total points collected are:
1 –
2 –
3 –
4 –
5 – A - Manchester City … draw 10 points
6 – H - Aston Villa … win 13 points
7 – A - Tiny Totts … draw 14 points
8 – H – Leicester … win 17 points
9 – A – Palace … win 20 points
10– H – Everton … draw 21 points
11– A – QPR … win 24 points
12– H – WHU … win 27 points
13– A – Newcastle … draw 28 points
14– H – Liverpool … draw 29 points
15– A – Burnley … win 32 points
16– H – Sunderland… win 35 points
17– H – Chelski … draw 36 points
18– A – Hull City … win 39 points
19– H – Swansea … win 42 points
20– A – Manchester United … draw 43 points
21– H – WBA … win 46 points
13 wins + 7 draws + 1 loss = 46 points
Maximum points = 33 + 46 = 79 points, enough for Top-4 finish?
A real struggle to even win 4th spot.
- 1 point off Chelski
- 3 points off Arsenal
- 3 points off ManU
And Mighty Arsenal have yet to beat Abu Dhabi City, ManU, Chelski and Liverpool since 2013/14 in the league!
Saints is a bona fide Top-4 contender if they still remain Top-4 after Easter weekend.