Liverpool 2-0 Chelsea: Disappointment All Round

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Where did you learn the word rent boy?

caras rent boy u mean the best striker in the world who u wish u could sign like stevie g who laughed in ur arrogant faces , ur so called captain john 'i ll sleep wit ur missus' terry really looks like he has passed his best and as usual has a mere when the opposition fans get under his skin

come back and post when you get out of your skip and register as a 'proper' user.... at least JT isn't a drunken thug!!!! and JT doesn't play for a club with blood on their hands

OOPS sorry Hillsborough and Heysel weren't your fault



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now get back 2 ur worlds end council flat u southern shandy drinkin puff f@#k off chelsea fc u aint got no history 5 european cups an 18 leagues thats wot we call history

We pretty much got what we deserved - and awful first half on our part coupled with a bouyant Liverpool sealed the result.

When I heard the line-up with NO Essien my first reaction was that we were going to be far too light in midfield. We´ve managed fine without Lampard for a while but with Essien missing as well and a half fit Drogba on the bench it was always going to be a struggle.

A very good 2nd half when Liverpool hardly got the ball out of their own half - but no killer punch from us and some stout, well organised, Hodgson-like defending frustrated us.

I´m not too critical of Cech for thier 2nd goal. Torres has this whiplash shooting technique with hardly any backlift which is really handy for when he´s in tight spaces.

This is also a pretty good summary of the game from our perspective:

OLVER HOLT



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

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now get back 2 ur worlds end council flat u southern shandy drinkin puff f@#k off chelsea fc u aint got no history 5 european cups an 18 leagues thats wot we call history

All that history and he can´t write in English! (there´s also a few historic events he seems to have omitted).



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Blood on your history - your titles mean absolutely @#$%& ALL



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Imagine if we got fans from Preston North End, Huddersfield Town and suchlike coming on here bleating away about their "history" (which actually isn´t history at all - it´s trophies won - which shows them up for the pot hunters they really are anyway!).



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Fair enough from Oliver Holt - on par with what I said.

Get the six points in the next two games and we will be rocking and rolling again..... till Birmingham and Newcastle away before the end of the month



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Indeed!

Come on Chels!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

It shows what class you have when you mock the dead

I'm not a Liverpool fan and have no love-loss with any of them, but I know the difference between ignorance and banter

Many people died at those events, many of them didn't deserve to and families suffered because of it. United had their fair share of loss with Munich

You seem to be simply bitter at the fact that you got your a**es handed to you and that your arrogence can right checks that not even your ploddy gangster owner can cash

Mock the dead?!

You really are THICK THICK THICK aren´t you?!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

id have blood on my hands if i met you, wat kind of muppit comes of with shite like that.your prob just a typical fickel chelsea fan who has only been a die hard hardcore fan since your recent success which lets be honest its cost you how much?? how much did the so called special one have to spend?? roman has poured best part of 1 million since he arrived and lets not forget bates was pileing money in eg seb veron and all the other pre madoners, and your little club runs at a big loss due to small fan base and big wages. and to top it all you had to wait 50 YEARS for all this, now thats wat i call history lol. you only sing when your winning, not to mention in the mid 90,s yor gates were only around 15000 how @#$%& is that eh. I COULD GO ON.your club will never be regarded with the likes of united and liverpool FACT. not without money or indeed your life time, so do everyone a favour a go have yourself a little wank over your chelsea duvet curtain set lolololololol

Blood on your hands AGAIN? You didnt get enough at Heysel?

Born 200 yds from Stamford Bridge....first game 1971 - so think again sunshine!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Wasnt refering to you nonsey

I was referring to since 66 and his remarks about heysel and Hillsbrough so read before you start calling people thick

Total jealousy from these scouse @#$%&.

Im united son

Plus what have the scousers or even united for that matter got to be jealous of chelsea for? we've both already shown you up this season

jelous of chavski dont make us laugh take away the money and take away your lttle trophey cabnit lol are you one the origial rent boys living 200 yards away??? when i were a lad you were no bigger than palace, QPR, watford and the rest that live in that smog. the biggest thing in chelsea used the be the chelsea flower show scoff scoff. do everyone a favour and pipe down nipper, because your prob one those cockney fans that only sings when your 2 up, your little ground is quiete at the best of times. and by the way as it goes for clubs with history and trophies your right down there, look it up, fact. give it a few years and il be on here having it out with a city fan because they will be no different to you apart from there fans are prob more loyal and of course they have bit of HISTORY. one more thing give me one top chelsea (english) player in the last 20 years that is from your area??? jodi morris dennis wise lol lol lol

Well if we aren´t worth the bother why don´t you ---- off then?



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Now who's been rumbled?

Whats up? no come back? Can't answer the question (again)?

As I said before, don't let your mouth write cheques your intellect can't cash

What question? The top player one?

Well Lampard and Terry for a start...Ashley Cole....Joe Cole

NEXT!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

All from Chelsea are they?

Oh dear, try reading the question

In fact you know what don't bother, wouldnt want you to blow out what brain cell you have left

You utter pillock!

If you´re going to narrow it down to Chelsea then lets have you narrow it down to Old Trafford area only and name your top players!

You are clueless!

How old are you? 15?

You´ve already been found out with the Man U slip - Typical Sky glory hunter.

---- off and stop wasting my time.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Man U slip? see it would be had it not been in inverted comma's

Lampard was born in Northeast London, Chelsea are west london, no where near each other. Joe Cole from central, Ashley Cole and John Terry are from East London and might I add, None of them strictly speaking started at Chelsea, not even Terry

Scholes is from Salford, Gary and Phil Neville are from Bury both places located in Greater Manchester, where Old Trafford is

Your ignorance is laughable, you fish for ways around your argument with things like "how old are you" and refuse to directly answer questions

You are a know nothing Cockney douce

ha ha its all gone quiete lol
now lets just give respect when its due, you aint now or ever in your life time gona be regarded in the same breathe as liverpool or united.
everton have done more than you boys just to name one apart from the obvious.
roman wont be about forever ye know

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Man U slip? see it would be had it not been in inverted comma's
Lampard was born in Northeast London, Chelsea are west london, no where near each other. Joe Cole from central, Ashley Cole and John Terry are from East London and might I add, None of them strictly speaking started at Chelsea, not even Terry

Scholes is from Salford, Gary and Phil Neville are from Bury both places located in Greater Manchester, where Old Trafford is

Your ignorance is laughable, you fish for ways around your argument with things like "how old are you" and refuse to directly answer questions

You are a know nothing Cockney douce

You utter muppet!

With all that you´ve mentioned I can just as easily say Chelsea is in London!

Are you seriously saying that Londoners OUTSIDE of Chelsea don´t count?

I´m getting really fed up with answering your stupid inane questions - go away - I´m not going to waste my time with you anymore. Go and do your homework or something.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

None of your successful players have come from your club - FACT

John Terry was bought from West Ham when he was a kid, you have no players that you haven't bought, your club has no history and no class

You are no bigger than any championship side

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id have blood on my hands if i met you, wat kind of muppit comes of with shite like that.your prob just a typical fickel chelsea fan who has only been a die hard hardcore fan since your recent success which lets be honest its cost you how much?? how much did the so called special one have to spend?? roman has poured best part of 1 million since he arrived and lets not forget bates was pileing money in eg seb veron and all the other pre madoners, and your little club runs at a big loss due to small fan base and big wages. and to top it all you had to wait 50 YEARS for all this, now thats wat i call history lol. you only sing when your winning, not to mention in the mid 90,s yor gates were only around 15000 how @#$%& is that eh. I COULD GO ON.your club will never be regarded with the likes of united and liverpool FACT. not without money or indeed your life time, so do everyone a favour a go have yourself a little wank over your chelsea duvet curtain set lolololololol

Lowey you really are a f*cking plum.

ALL TIME AVERAGE ATTENDANCES



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Liverpool and Arsenal havent won f**k all in years.

The Ure in the last three years have spent more money than us.

Man U win too many games in SAF time - except the derby in midweek BORING YAWN

And most of you live round the corner from Stamford Bridge



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United win too many games in SAF time? don't talk sh*te, we win because we play to the end

The derby was a poor game but thats got nothing to do with this...once again you are fishing around your arguments - Typical cockney

Name one player that you produced since the premier league's inception that has contributed to your success

I am not a cockney



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As lowey said your just a fan whos latched on since your recent success

You see how fans of more or less every club hate you and what you stand for

Your a classless collection of septics who jump on the bandwagon when ever it decides to pass your way

did you see the loyal chelsea fans staying right till the end today????????? typical almost half fullby the end, fickle as @#$%&, just imagine if chelsea were where liverpool are in the table they would be lucky to have 20,000 in there little stadium each week. this is my point about your fans and your club, if roman pulled out tomorrow and you had to sell your stars you would crawl back under the stone you came from like most you would and as rafa would of said, thats a fact. chelsea in recent times have always won the title when the other big boys are having a @#$%& season or missing top players

Grover and Lowey

Dont 'kin taint your anti-chelsea brigade brush at me. You know f**k all about me.

I have probably been a Chelsea supporter longer than you have been born and at least my nick SINCE66 is blue unlike your black

PK Fabianski. Brilliant save b4 Cahill's goal



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This isnt about you as a person this is about your arrogence as a typical chelsea fan

Not only that, you just completely contradicted yourself

Your asking for people not to comment about you because you've been a fan for years, but then you say that we arent loyal fans of our club

God your a muppet

And how have I contradicted myself?

You came on here bold as brass accusing me/us of jumping on the Abramovich bandwagon

I was there when we were s**t



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Because your telling people not to call you a glory hunter and yet you'll come out with sh*te like this...

"I have probably been a chelsea fan longer than you have been born and at least my nick SINCE 66 is blue unlike your black"

Your therefore questioning me as a loyal long time united fan but you dont want people doing that to you...the pot and the kettle eh?

you started the bandwagon not me. I hadn't questioned whether you have been to Old Trafford or not?

As i said you know f**k all about me



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Like I said before this is not about you as a person, It is about your arrogence as a chelsea fan

You dodge topics when you know your wrong

Grover,

There is NO "dodging topics" on here....it is just that your so called challenges are so inane, childish and stupid that it is almost an insult to have to address them - and even when they are addressed you come back with something just as stupid!

Do us a favour....grow up and be sensible (and you are more than welcome to post - we like "banter")... or stop cluttering the board up and ---- off.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

dixon9, if you were supporting chelsea when they were @#$%& you would only have to go back at least 10 years, so you could be 15 year old for all i know and to be honest i dont give a @#$%& your prob mid fiftys id guess but that dont give you the right to know jack about football and you dont have a devine right to have more than a opinion on here.
the bottom line is not many people can stand your club or your fans and wat you stand for and how you have got where you are today, ive been about and get about enough our little contry to know that for a fact, you are the typical definition of a true chelsea fan well done.

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dixon9, if you were supporting chelsea when they were @#$%& you would only have to go back at least 10 years, so you could be 15 year old for all i know and to be honest i dont give a @#$%& your prob mid fiftys id guess but that dont give you the right to know jack about football and you dont have a devine right to have more than a opinion on here.
the bottom line is not many people can stand your club or your fans and wat you stand for and how you have got where you are today, ive been about and get about enough our little contry to know that for a fact, you are the typical definition of a true chelsea fan well done.

Another prize plum duff!

Sorry mate but you have demonstrated you know f all about Chelsea or its fans.

And I do have the right to keep the board clear of childish, BASELESS accusations. Any potential new forum member will be put off if he/she sees schoolboy comments of the type you make.

It really is quite simple - wise up or ---- off!
(and if you don´t, then I will make sure you do).



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

bring it on, you dont worry me. your clearly one those boys who likes the sound of their own voice.
like people really want to hear your drouse bull @#$%&????????
bet ive made a few people laugh and that warms me inside greatly. if you were still a mid table team at best you probably would not be on here trying to lord it like your no.1 blue boy . just read my recent posts and admit lowey is proably right lol. do your worst if not fed upwith your lot

You dont dodge topics? you just did it again, like I said before, instead of answering the question and the topic you resort to petty insults and try to reverse your intellectual faults on those addressing you

Your just as ignorant and stupid as every other chelsea fan, you put your tinted glasses on when neccessary instead of admitting you were wrong

...oh and if I'm wrong in saying this then your next post will include the answer to the original question...who have chelsea brought up from the youth system without buying from another club that has contributed to your success?

Lowey and Grover

Muppets

I´ve ALREADY answered that Grover!

PLEASE don´t give us the "They´re not from Chelsea!"....

You are so STUPIDLY annoying and pointless you are HISTORY.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

...your club was saved from bankruptacy TWICE! Bailed out by rich businessman! Look it up!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

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You see how fans of more or less every club hate you and what you stand for
Your a classless collection of septics who jump on the bandwagon when ever it decides to pass your way

Sceptics are Yanks - Americans - YOU UTTER PLUM.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

deleting posts are we?

god your such a gob sh*te

United were bailed out because they were going out of business

We were not handed billions of pounds to spend on the worlds best players with no risk or wage cap, we brought most of our successful sides up from a young age

£0 for George Best
£0 for Bobby Charlton
£0 for Brian Kidd
£0 for Nobby Stiles

...and during SAF's reign

£0 for David Beckham
£0 for Paul Scholes
£0 for Ryan Giggs
£0 for Nicky Butt
£0 for Gary Neville
£0 for Phil Neville

face it, you were wrong, you can't answer the question because you know and fear it will damage your pride and ego to admit that you support a small club with no history that has acheived success by buying half the world's talentest footballers

give it a couple days for rodney and dell boy to come up with some other shite or one those gay animations that must of took u hours to find.
truth hurts u glory boys dont it. oh and dixon rent boy im still postin eh eh????????????????????

Its just a bit of fun you knobheads.

Where is your bin dipping humour that you lot are suppose to have.

I see that Gerraaaaards out for 4 weeks who gives a f*ck

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United were bailed out because they were going out of business

So you admit that if it wasn´t for these bail outs you wouldn´t even exist and therefore posting in favour of your club at the moment? Well that´s progress! It´s finally dawning on you! Maybe you´d be a City supporter…

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We were not handed billions of pounds to spend on the worlds best players with no risk or wage cap, we brought most of our successful sides up from a young age

Neither were we handed billions - Millions yes! But I´m sure you´d appreciate the mathematical difference between the two is substantial. Of course, it suits you to lie and exaggerate to self-justify your argument.

You DID form part of the major push to tell the Football League to F off and form the Premier League – keeping rich rich and the poor poorer.

You DID form part of G14 – a lobby group to try and ensure that the richest European clubs maintained the largest slice of the financial pie.

You DID at one point sell out publically by becoming a PLC in order to raise money for transfers – removing the words “Football Club� from your club crest.

How many record transfers has your club completed?

Let´s face it, there is hardly anything of the Corinthian spirit and fair play about your club is there?!

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£0 for George Best
£0 for Bobby Charlton
£0 for Brian Kidd
£0 for Nobby Stiles

...and during SAF's reign

£0 for David Beckham
£0 for Paul Scholes
£0 for Ryan Giggs
£0 for Nicky Butt
£0 for Gary Neville
£0 for Phil Neville

Ditto on:

Jimmy Greaves
Terry Venables
Peter Osgood
Ron Harris
Ray Wilkins
Etc etc…

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face it, you were wrong, you can't answer the question because you know and fear it will damage your pride and ego to admit that you support a small club with no history that has acheived success by buying half the world's talentest footballers

Small club? Well we have the 5th highest average attendance in English football league history (I did post this up earlier but you again, dodged the topic). If we are a small club then what you are doing is saying that all the other clubs below us are even smaller – and this accounts for some 120 odd football league clubs. This, in my view, is a tremendous disrespect to these clubs and perfectly illustrates the arrogance of the newbie, sky/Talksport type football fan. Do you seriously believe that there are only 4 clubs in over 130 years of football league history who are/have been big clubs?

History? Well we were formed in 1905 – so that´s over 100 years of history. But of course, what you REALLY mean by history is glory or trophies won! This is your big mistake which unfortunately shows you up for the type of football fan you really are. You are a glory hunter or else why try and change the meaning of the word “History�? You are just too thick to see the paradox!

Please answer this post point by point without continuosly dodging the points made as you have done up until now.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Your the one that has dpdged the topics, its taken this long for you to answer the question properly and even then you havent given the true answer

Yeah I have admitted that we needed someone to come in and bail us out but not on the grounds that you did. We were bailed out to stay in business you were bought so that RA could try and play real life FIFA or pro evo

You have spent an approximate total since abramovich was there of £700million, thats just under £100million per season and you still show no signs of debt despite your profit/loss

The premier league was founded by the existing 22 clubs after the 1991 season had ended, a collection of which your club was involved in

The G14 group was formed in order to give clubs a voice against FIFA and UEFA, we were part of it as the second most successful british team and barring Bayer Leverkusen, it consisted of the world's biggest clubs, how else were the clubs able to speak out against UEFA and FIFA? The fact that the G14 members got alot of revenue from european competition was because they had progressed in the competitions, its not other teams fault that chelsea can only make one final after how many attempts?

I dont have a problem with admitting united have spent alot of money over the past decade or so, but it has been money that we have generated through performances on the pitch and popularity from the public across the world off the pitch, you have bought your success theres no two ways about it

our most expensive transfers were Rio, Veron and Berba...how many have you had well lets see

Schevchenko - £30million
Wright-Phillips - £21million
Crespo - £17million
Mutu - £16million
Drogba - £24million
Carvalho - £25million

you even paid £15million for veron ffs! so dont talk to anyone about spending big you have spent more in the past decade than any team in the league, tho city arent far behind but the difference is they know they are a small club

Only Osgood and Harris won anything of any kind of significance from your club and Ray Wilkins? he won more for us than he did for you

No I didnt dodge the topic at all, I wasnt asking about attendances and on that note does that mean that you are the 5th biggest english club? just because you have high attendances? Newcastle get a full house every game and Leeds aswell, as do United and Liverpool, that argument was based on the fact that your fans walked out on the Sunderland game but every clubs fans do that, its born out of frustration as you have paid alot of money to see your team and they dont show up

None of the clubs below you are as arrogent about their club, chelsea are smaller than Nottingham forrest, everyone knows that so that point about the lower league clubs holds no validation what so ever

You think that being more than a century in business is history? Middlesbrough and Fulham have been around for almost 30 years longer than you lot and they've barely acheived anything
Nobody remembers a club for how old they are...

(Notts County are the oldest in the english football league does that mean they are a massive club?)

...just what your club has acheived and won. Before Abramovich you were just another club who could of only dreamt of making it to were you are now off your own back, something you will never admit.
United have been in the sh*t countless times over this past century and fought their way from obscurity to greatness on 2 seperate occassions without the induction of a billionaire owner. Granted we were bailed out from a second party, but only to keep us in business, not to use as a toy, despite this we were still relegated in 1974 and came back from it

During Liverpool's domination in the 1980's united still won 3 FA cup's and stopped Liverpool from being the first team to win "the treble", we were nothing then, we were the kind of team that despite our history we were content with simply staying in the then first division

SAF came in and despite a tough start, he solved our problems and turned the club into a huge success from within he didnt spend massive amounts on the worlds best players to get were we got, in fact if memory serves me correctly, the only expensive signings we made from 1990-2000 were for Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole and they werent 20million+ signings

GET THE DOUBLE GLAZIERS OUT

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You asked me to explain point by point and thats all you can come up with...

ha ha Chelsea are smaller than Nottingham Forest?!?!?





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yeah thats all I have got and the reason:

I get fed up with people coming on here about history this, history that, we have won more trophies than you, you bought the title, you spent more money than us and all that b****x!!!!

How about a bit of banter like

saw your game on the telly and you were s**t

and what gets up my nose is the 'black' name posters (instead of blue) who are not true members of the network, posting and running



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The reason people say those kind of things to you is because of your arrogence about your club, Chelsea fans believe they have a devine right to beat everyone and win everything just because of your inherited fortune

United havent played brilliantly as of late and I have never said we were, we were better than Wigan and deserved our win but i thought we should have scored more

Nottingham forest are 40 years older than your club and have won every major domestic trophy (if you want to count the first division as the then biggest English trophy you could win), they even have 2 european cups to their name and are one of few clubs to have won 2 in a row as well as the super cup after their first victory

FFS there is always one

Yeah...its sad isnt it, you know when that one gets the last word

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The reason people say those kind of things to you is because of your arrogence about your club, Chelsea fans believe they have a devine right to beat everyone and win everything just because of your inherited fortune
Nottingham forest are 40 years older than your club and have won every major domestic trophy (if you want to count the first division as the then biggest English trophy you could win), they even have 2 european cups to their name and are one of few clubs to have won 2 in a row as well as the super cup after their first victory

I´ve heard it all now!

A Man Utd fan (albeit a newbie glory hunter) saying the WE are arrogant and think we have a divine right to win everything!

POT, KETTLE and BLACK comes to mind!

As for Forest, yes, you´re quite right....but so what? What does it mean? And what´s with the 40 years older than you bit? I thought age of the club meant nothing to you?



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

I´m numbering these so that you can respond individually without dodging:

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Your the one that has dpdged the topics, its taken this long for you to answer the question properly and even then you havent given the true answer

Not true! I have answered! Unfortunately you do not seem to have grasped the answers! Go back over the threads. You should also take into account that much of the stuff you charge against us is just so utterly pathetic and lacking in substance that it is a bore to have to respond (We don´t have any players that grew up in Chelsea – London doesn´t count according to you, yet in your case outside of Old Trafford is fine! I mean, come on! I ask you! And yet you demand responses to this drivel).

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Yeah I have admitted that we needed someone to come in and bail us out but not on the grounds that you did. We were bailed out to stay in business you were bought so that RA could try and play real life FIFA or pro evo.

And why were your rich businessman bailing Man Utd out?

Do you not find it ironic that you slate us for outside financial help yet you admit that if it wasn´t for outside financial help THERE WOULDN´T EVEN BE A MAN UTD, YOU THEREFORE WOULDN´T EVEN BE POSTING ON HERE NOW AND THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE EVEN BEEN A MAN CITY FAN?
Do you seriously not realise the utter stupidity of what you are saying?

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You have spent an approximate total since abramovich was there of £700million, thats just under £100million per season and you still show no signs of debt despite your profit/loss

We show no signs of debt because monies invested by Abramovich were turned into equity. Given that the club is and will be worth a LOT more than the 140m he paid for it it is quite an acceptable move.

And yourselves?

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The premier league was founded by the existing 22 clubs after the 1991 season had ended, a collection of which your club was involved in

Fail! Our club wasn´t involved. We weren´t in the group pushing for a breakway. Again, get your facts right before spouting your drivel.

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The G14 group was formed in order to give clubs a voice against FIFA and UEFA, we were part of it as the second most successful british team and barring Bayer Leverkusen, it consisted of the world's biggest clubs, how else were the clubs able to speak out against UEFA and FIFA? The fact that the G14 members got alot of revenue from european competition was because they had progressed in the competitions, its not other teams fault that Chelsea can only make one final after how many attempts?

How else were they going to speak out? So why not let ALL European clubs in then? I mean, THINK man! Membership was by invitation only – it was a closed shop! It was a lobby group…a pressure group to ensure that THEIR members were more likely to receive a greater share of the financial pie.

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I dont have a problem with admitting united have spent alot of money over the past decade or so, but it has been money that we have generated through performances on the pitch and popularity from the public across the world off the pitch, you have bought your success theres no two ways about it

One of your biggest spending periods was when you converted to a PLC and had the words “Football Club� removed from your crest. PLC meant that you were selling the club to ANY Tom, Dick or Harry that was prepared to put money into it – even a scouser! In short, you sold out to generate cash to buy players!

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our most expensive transfers were Rio, Veron and Berba...how many have you had well lets see
Schevchenko - £30million
Wright-Phillips - £21million
Crespo - £17million
Mutu - £16million
Drogba - £24million
Carvalho - £25million

you even paid £15million for veron ffs! so dont talk to anyone about spending big you have spent more in the past decade than any team in the league, tho city arent far behind but the difference is they know they are a small club

How much did you pay for Veron?!
How much for Ferdinand? Or Berbatov? Or Rooney? Or…etc etc etc…

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Only Osgood and Harris won anything of any kind of significance from your club and Ray Wilkins? he won more for us than he did for you

Yes but here is the CRUCIAL difference between you and us… You only judge things by Pots won! You are a glory hunter! Everything is a “my willy is bigger than yours!� Pretty much sums up the type of fan you are (and you have the audacity to cite arrogance in another thread!)


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No I didnt dodge the topic at all, I wasnt asking about attendances and on that note does that mean that you are the 5th biggest english club? just because you have high attendances? Newcastle get a full house every game and Leeds aswell, as do United and Liverpool, that argument was based on the fact that your fans walked out on the Sunderland game but every clubs fans do that, its born out of frustration as you have paid alot of money to see your team and they dont show up

Eh? We pretty much sell out every match you numbty.

And chew on this (we look forward to your explanation!):




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None of the clubs below you are as arrogent about their club, chelsea are smaller than Nottingham forrest, everyone knows that so that point about the lower league clubs holds no validation what so ever

My point is that if you say we are a small, insignificant club then you are also insulting the vast vast majority of football clubs in English league history. So yes, my point does hold.

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You think that being more than a century in business is history? Middlesbrough and Fulham have been around for almost 30 years longer than you lot and they've barely acheived anything
Nobody remembers a club for how old they are...

Well you certainly don´t! and yet you quote HISTORY at every turn. As I said before, you´ve been rumbled – you don´t actually mean HISTORY at all – you mean trophies won – NOTHING to do with history.

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(Notts County are the oldest in the english football league does that mean they are a massive club?)

No it doesn´t. So will you go on their boards spouting off about how big your “Man U� (as you call it) willy is then?

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...just what your club has acheived and won. Before Abramovich you were just another club who could of only dreamt of making it to were you are now off your own back, something you will never admit.
United have been in the sh*t countless times over this past century and fought their way from obscurity to greatness on 2 seperate occassions without the induction of a billionaire owner. Granted we were bailed out from a second party, but only to keep us in business, not to use as a toy, despite this we were still relegated in 1974 and came back from it

Well in the 6 years before Abramvich we were not out of the top six and we had won the Cup Winners Cup and the League Cup. This is actually more successful than Spurs, Villa, Everton and Newcastle combined. Presumably you will rush off to their message boards to tell the how small and insignificant they are?

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During Liverpool's domination in the 1980's united still won 3 FA cup's and stopped Liverpool from being the first team to win "the treble", we were nothing then, we were the kind of team that despite our history we were content with simply staying in the then first division

So what´s your point here?

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SAF came in and despite a tough start, he solved our problems and turned the club into a huge success from within he didnt spend massive amounts on the worlds best players to get were we got, in fact if memory serves me correctly, the only expensive signings we made from 1990-2000 were for Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole and they werent 20million+ signings

You mean to say the likes of Andy Cole weren´t considered expensive at that time? Wasn´t he a record transfer…?



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.



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1. The question being asked was how many players had you produced that contributed to your success? every player right now at your club and from when you first won the premiership has been bought, you have 0 players who came from your youth (from London or not) that have contributed in a major way for your club

2. Our investors saved the club from going out of business, not so that they could come in and try play Pro Evo with real life

3. You have had record losses over the last 8 years or so, the only reason they dont show is because any debt you have, RA can afford to just toss it out the window without so much as a batted eyelid, very little of it is paid off from your revenue

4. The premiership was formed by the 22 teams, they voted EN MASSE meaning every club voted to form the premierleague premiership formation

5. The bigger clubs would have had higher impact on any subjects in question, you think teams that rarely get european football would be listened to from the powers that be? thats like a cleaner telling an owner how to run a business

6. Yes we did, I have absolutely no problem with admitting that, you however dont seem to be able to do that. The point about all the spending is that United have used THEIR OWN MONEY FROM REVENUE to buy players and to invest in the club, we have had no billionaire come in doing all that for us in one stroke, we did it the proper and respectable way

7. Again yes we have spent a fortune on players, but it was from our own revenue, Abramovich came in and started playing FIFA with real life, it took us 10 years to spend £20million+ on one player and thats after 5/6 prem victories, 1 european cup victory and a couple of cup wins. Your club went from spending £10-20 million on a couple of players to spending £20million+ on one in the space of 2/3 months after abramovich took over - Thats the simple truth, you have been handed the resources to be successful, you have not earned them

8. The question being asked is how many players have chelsea produced that have contributed to your success? now try giving the proper answer

9. God your such an idiot, I said that happens all the time, I know that fans walk out of games before the end when the team is losing, its born out of frustration, when a fan pays as much for a ticket they want to see the team at least turn up not lose miserably. That argument was not mine, I know you sell out your stadium, as do we and alot of clubs I wasnt calling anybodys club for that so dont know what your trying to do with this one

10. Your point holds no substance at all, none of the clubs below you are as arrogent about their club, Chelsea fans talk about their recent success as if you have earned it and not been handed every resource to win trophies without doing anything of significance to earn it

11. OK give me your definition of "having history"

12. No because like I have said many times, fans of those clubs dont share the same deluded sentiment as you, Chelsea fans believe you have earned everything from 2004 onwards and that it had nothing to do with a bottomless billionaire wallet

13. Again its the abramovich factor, before he came in you werent able to spend big without worrying about long/short term financial risks

14. My point here is that United have always had a rich heritage of success, sure we didnt win trophies every season, but even during the bad times we were able to acheive a reasonable amount of success, without the induction of billions of pounds. You lot went from averaging a trophy every 5 years or so, to being considered for everything within the space of 2/3 month. You have not earned your current status, it has been bought and thats a fact that your arrogence will not allow you to achknowledge

15. Thats not the point, the point is that we didnt spend £20million+ on one player during the mid-late nineties despite our success, this is because we were using our own money, not somebody elses, to push the club forward, it meant that we had to worry about long/short term financial risks, we could get away with 1/2 big money flops a season, Chelsea can get away with a full sides worth without worrying about profit/loss

Oh and one other thing...

if youd bothered to read my quote at point 15 properly, youd notice I said Cole WAS an expensive signing at that time and was one of only 3 significant big money signings across 5 years

Ok so Man United have a bigger willy than us whats your point.

Your deliberately ignoring the point because you know its an inescapable fact that you have bought your success and did nothing to earn it

its ok, continue to talk round the subject, your batent ignorance is as clear as day anyway so go ahead, dress it up

Hmmm...so we bought our success?

Whereas you bought your very existance when naturally you should have folded! TWICE!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

Correct!!! YES, F**KING HELL WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT UNITED COULD HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR A SECOND PARTY......

but can you really say that us being kept afloat in business terms and then going on to become successful without the use of millions of £, is the same as using money straight up given to you for no reason what so ever and becoming successful because of it?

There have been so many teams bailed out by second parties in order to keep them in business....look at portsmouth recently

The point that you blatently wont achknowledge is that you were handed millions upon millions to spend with no financial repercutions, there was no serious debt at chelsea at the time and no other reason for a billionaire to come in and spend as much as he did

He plain and simply wanted to play Pro Evo with real life but you lot believe that he became a saviour to you and turned you from a small club into a big club

Chelsea are not as big as the likes of united, Liverpool, Real, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern, Ajax etc yet you will always believe that because you have had recent success that you deserve to be achknowledged in that way

Your club and its fans are arrogent and the reason you keep trying to talk around this is because admitting the truth would damage your rediculously inflated ego

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Chelsea are not as big as the likes of united, Liverpool, Real, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern, Ajax etc yet you will always believe that because you have had recent success that you deserve to be achknowledged in that way
Your club and its fans are arrogent and the reason you keep trying to talk around this is because admitting the truth would damage your rediculously inflated ego

Well, its so bloody tiring having to deal with your dodging subjects and adolescent hormonal drivel - but I´ll get back to you on the other stuff shortly....In the meantime,

WHEN HAVE ANY OF US SAID THAT WE DESERVE TO BE MENTIONED OR ARE AS "BIG" AS ANY OF THE CLUBS YOU MENTION ABOVE?!

You really seem to have a complex about us!

Personally, until we win the European Cup (as corrupt as it now is unfortunately) I don´t think we can really call ourselves a really big club.



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

...and yes...according to your own standards, we have bought our success (although you conveniently forget about the 6 years for example previous to Abramovich),.... and YOU shouldn´t even EXIST....you SHOULDN´T even be having a go at us about outside money, when you acknowledge yourself that you wouldn´t even be here if it weren´t for that! YOU should probably be supporting City!



"It is born out of hypocrisy and fundamental insecurity. There have been two kids on the block for the past 12 years. Suddenly, there is a third and that one is threatening to be more successful than the others and they don’t like it." P Kenyon.

keeping a business afloat is not the same as using one as a pass time to blow millions.

We didnt became a major force overnight after being bailed out, we still had big financial problems despite being helped out and if you consider our debt that we have had for the past 5 years since the Glazer's took over, its not really the same when you think about it is it?

The reason we became successful is because of our rich heritage of bringing top class young players through our ranks, not buying the worlds best players and having them win trophies and establish us as a major force in all aspects of football, something you lot are completely acustom too

You have been as arrogent in this thread to say that Liverpool dont deserve their history and that it is tainted and shouldnt have happened, You also disregard our history and success by saying that if it hadnt been for some rich guy it wouldnt have happened...by that logic you shouldnt be amongst the favourites to win the CL every season as you havent earned any kind of status nor should you be regarded as one of the "big 4" because you have even less deserved history than Liverpool or United

We`ll go and win it now for ya.

No you wont, your not good enough