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This team
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 21:57

There is absolutely nothing good about this team. They don't know how to defend, don't know how to attack, and don't know how to keep the ball. This team knows nothing, and the coach also does not know the first thing about football, which is player selection. I have never seen a more pathetic Arsenal side in my entire 22 years of supporting this club. This is by far the most expensive squad in the history of the club yet also the most woeful of them.

Nowadays, I don't watcy the team because there is any player worth watching in the team (the coach has done a fine job of making the decent ones play like donkeys), I watch the team because I want to see the stadium, the atmosphere, the beautiful jersey and maintain a sense of support for something, while playing my Dream League soccer tearing into teams 14-0 with my own version of Arsenal. I don't know how long I can keep this up but then, there was a club with a very passionate global support base and that club is now a shadow of itself.

The club should bring back Wenger for the remainder of the season while looking for a more competent coach to take over next season. This Emery guy is a big mistake.



"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

Re: This team
Posted by: SuperRob (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:05

(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)

It only took you two posts on suggest bringing him back.

Because nights like this never happened under Wenger, right?

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Re: This team
Posted by: kreddie16 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:05

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De Times
The club should bring back Wenger for the remainder of the season while looking for a more competent coach to take over next season.

Bring back the man that put us in this situation?

Re: This team
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:25

… is full of potential with a dumbfcuk of a manager snatching rubbish from the Jaws of Victory.



Nihilism: 'An examination of the meaning of meaninglessness: why it matters that nothing matters'

Re: This team
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:30

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kunai16
Bring back the man that put us in this situation?

What situation?

Re: This team
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:35

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kunai16
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De Times
The club should bring back Wenger for the remainder of the season while looking for a more competent coach to take over next season.

Bring back the man that put us in this situation?
Yeah, Wenger is responsible for the loss tonight.... Fecking Sheffield United! I can't believe the game and result tonight. Even a coachless team from the past would tear into this Sheffield tram but what do I know, Wenger caused it, isn't it? What a pathetic excuse.



"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

Re: This team
Posted by: SuperRob (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:36

Quote:
Shane
Quote:
kunai16
Bring back the man that put us in this situation?

What situation?

The one where we had to overhaul our entire squad and management structure, get rid of overpaid underperforming deadwood on ridiculously high wages and do it all on a Europa league budget.

Re: This team
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:49

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SuperRob
Quote:
Shane
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kunai16
Bring back the man that put us in this situation?

What situation?

The one where we had to overhaul our entire squad and management structure, get rid of overpaid underperforming deadwood on ridiculously high wages and do it all on a Europa league budget.
So you're happy to watch the new players in the squad? They all look like midtable players at best, even the most expensive of them. If there is any hope of finishing top four this season it will still be the players from the past who are still in the squad who will make that possible. What's the point of not featuring Ozil for Willock and Saka and all the other kids who don't know exactly what they're doing? Like I said before, you destroy young players like that.

Lacazette and Ozil should've started this match. You don't win matches in the Premier League consistently with so many kids and unknown quantities. So it is not enough to change some players, the real question is who do you replace them with?



"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

Re: This team
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 22:51

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SuperRob
The one where we had to overhaul our entire squad and management structure, get rid of overpaid underperforming deadwood on ridiculously high wages and do it all on a Europa league budget.

That's the key word there Rob, had. That isn't the situation now, so what situation is Wenger responsible for that led Arsenal to defeat at Sheffield United tonight?

Re: This team
Posted by: SuperRob (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 23:01

Quote:
De Times
Quote:
SuperRob
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Shane
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kunai16
Bring back the man that put us in this situation?

What situation?

The one where we had to overhaul our entire squad and management structure, get rid of overpaid underperforming deadwood on ridiculously high wages and do it all on a Europa league budget.
So you're happy to watch the new players in the squad? They all look like midtable players at best, even the most expensive of them. If there is any hope of finishing top four this season it will still be the players from the past who are still in the squad who will make that possible. What's the point of not featuring Ozil for Willock and Saka and all the other kids who don't know exactly what they're doing? Like I said before, you destroy young players like that.

Lacazette and Ozil should've started this match. You don't win matches in the Premier League consistently with so many kids and unknown quantities. So it is not enough to change some players, the real question is who do you replace them with?

Lacazette is obviously not match fit. Ozil is anonymous every time he plays against any teams that are a higher standard than the belgian league. He'll do well to move to the MLS this January, it will suit him down to the ground. He can prance around in a league where no one puts any pressure on him, get paid a fortune and be the best player on the pitch every week without having any responsibility to perform well under pressure.

The new players like Willock, Guendouzi, Saka, Pepe, Ceballos, Tierney and Martinelli are obviously the future and I want to see them play but I accept that because they are new and young that they will be inconsistent, they will have good days and bad days and that is all part of the learning curve.

Our main problem is still that we're trying desperately to replace all the dross that Wenger left us with, which was always going to take time in the transfer market, and time for the players to settle in a gel together and start playing well as a team.

Re: This team
Posted by: SuperRob (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 23:16

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Shane
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SuperRob
The one where we had to overhaul our entire squad and management structure, get rid of overpaid underperforming deadwood on ridiculously high wages and do it all on a Europa league budget.

That's the key word there Rob, had. That isn't the situation now, so what situation is Wenger responsible for that led Arsenal to defeat at Sheffield United tonight?

Ok so I worded it badly. It is the situation now. "The one where we are having to" would have been better. If you think the process is finished and we are through the transition phase already, then I think you've underestimated how difficult a job it is and how long it will take. That would have been the case regardless of who was in charge, even if it was Wenger.

How many of today's squad played in Wenger's last season? Xhaka, Auba, Kolasinac, Lacazette. You think it's easy to change 80% of the squad in 18 months and it will immediately click and everyone will perform at their peak straight away and there won't be any mistakes in recruiting players and everyone you sign will get on with everyone else and the dynamic in the dressing room will be perfect and all the players will have great chemistry and all the rest of the stuff that makes a great team but is so hard to quantify?

All the evidence suggests that chopping and changing managers is the worst way to improve during the transition.

Re: This team
Posted by: kreddie16 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 October, 2019 23:36

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Shane
Quote:
kunai16
Bring back the man that put us in this situation?

What situation?

I stop blaming Wenger when Xhaka doesn't start for us. Our most senior and expensive CM.
I could nitpick by saying we should have sold Sanchez to city or 60mil. SoldOzil. Sold Ramsey. Bought another RB and not relied on Bellerin. Bought Kante. Not given kolasinac a contract. Made us a Europa league team. Not left when Klopp and Pep was available.

Let's not act like this club doesn't have to penny pinch because of bad deals he was here for.

Re: This team
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 01:23

Forget about blaming Wenger for our loss tonight. His history with us is just that.
He was not at fault, it was Emery, so blaming Wenger is deflecting where the blame lies.
Our MF was rubbish tonight, just as it has been most of the season.
Theres no MFer in our squad who can boss the centre of the park, either on breaking up, defending or servicing the good forward line weve got.
like i said in another post, our young ones where out of their depth tonight and it showed up the negetives of fielding a youthful MF.



Self sustainable is a word that rich people with short arms and deep pockets use.

Re: This team
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 03:25

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SuperRob
If you think the process is finished and we are through the transition phase already, then I think you've underestimated how difficult a job it is and how long it will take

You think it's easy to change 80% of the squad in 18 months and it will immediately click and everyone will perform at their peak straight away and there won't be any mistakes in recruiting players and everyone you sign will get on with everyone else and the dynamic in the dressing room will be perfect and all the players will have great chemistry and all the rest of the stuff that makes a great team but is so hard to quantify? .

Listen, you're preaching the choir here mate. I'm well aware of how difficult transitional periods can be, and so should every Arsenal fan and that's because Wenger negotiated several quite successfully.

What have this mob gone through, around £200 million in 14 months? Alright well Wenger was spending around 10 percent of that figure each summer, on replacing players when richer clubs capitalised on our financial footing and began treating Arsenal like meat on a kebab spinner, carving pieces from us. Plus, what we were spending in one summer, our rivals were spending on one player.

All he did until 2013 was build and rebuild over and over again. He'd design, build, strengthen and then the foundations would be ripped out. Remember the very good and very promising Arsenal team that beat Barcelona in 2011? By August of the following year, five of that first XI had gone - Van Persie, Nasri, Song, Cesc and Clichy.

Listen, I'm well aware Wenger probably p*ssed them off by not signing another defender when he had the chance, and that's why they left, but the simple fact we were so stupidly close to winning Premier League titles despite colossal handicaps - real handicaps, not Silvestre - is a reminder that although hard, transitional phases can be overcome, especially when there's three or four of you. Wenger was on his own in the sense that it was his arrse if it failed. He couldn't blame a sh*t signing or a sh*t result on anybody.

Re: This team
Posted by: MattySadler (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 07:34

If anyone else on this forum suggested bringing Wenger back, obviously I would disagree but I'd at least take them seriously.

Wenger is finished at the top level and Emery is finished at this club.

Re: This team
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 10:19

Arsene had obviously lost his touch by the Leicester season. He did maximize the spending upto 2011 though. We would not be good enough to beat the big teams, but we would beat the teams in the lower half.

I understand that the epl has grown in standard (altho the quality of football in epl is debatable, its more intense than technically playing to watch) but we also have decent players available to beat the likes of Bournemouth and sheffield.
At least we don't have eboue playing right wing and senderos in Central defense.


Let's wait till Dec. Let's see what Unai and his team can do to arrest the slide.

Re: This team
Posted by: Flava (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 16:37

Quote:
De Times
There is absolutely nothing good about this team. They don't know how to defend, don't know how to attack, and don't know how to keep the ball. This team knows nothing, and the coach also does not know the first thing about football, which is player selection. I have never seen a more pathetic Arsenal side in my entire 22 years of supporting this club. This is by far the most expensive squad in the history of the club yet also the most woeful of them.
Nowadays, I don't watcy the team because there is any player worth watching in the team (the coach has done a fine job of making the decent ones play like donkeys), I watch the team because I want to see the stadium, the atmosphere, the beautiful jersey and maintain a sense of support for something, while playing my Dream League soccer tearing into teams 14-0 with my own version of Arsenal. I don't know how long I can keep this up but then, there was a club with a very passionate global support base and that club is now a shadow of itself.

The club should bring back Wenger for the remainder of the season while looking for a more competent coach to take over next season. This Emery guy is a big mistake.

Outstanding trolling saying you think Wenger should be brought back for the rest of the season. You've given Emery 16 months but you were happy with the last 7 years of tripe from Wenger with the team getting poorer every year.

It was hard enough to get rid of Wenger last time, we don't want to go through that again.

Re: This team
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 16:47

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CazOnARola
He did maximize the spending upto 2011 though. We would not be good enough to beat the big teams, but we would beat the teams in the lower half.

The opposite is true. We did beat the big teams. During the first year at the Emirates, we did the double over United, beat Liverpool 3-0 at home and drew home and away against Chelsea. That was the big four at the time, but we also lost to Fulham, Bolton, West Ham and Sheffield United.

The following season, 2007-08, we lost three times all season, and two of those defeats were in the last two months. And we knocked AC Milan, the holders, out of the Champions League. Kaka, Inzaghi, Nesta, Pirlo and Gattuso played in that tie, undone by Fabregas, Adebayor, Walcott, Flamini and Senderos.

Frankly, I don't care what challenges face Emery, Raul and Edu. The reality is that this period is nowhere near as challenging for Arsenal as it was for Wenger after we left Highbury and had to replace The Invincibles with a fraction of what our rivals were spending at the time.

If he had won the Premier League title in 2008, it would've been blown the 49-game run out of the water entirely as far as achievement goes, and he was only four points away from doing it. He might've even done it if not for the Eduardo injury.

The bloke was a different breed.



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Re: This team
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 16:49

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Re: This team
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 22 October, 2019 17:45

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Shane
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CazOnARola
He did maximize the spending upto 2011 though. We would not be good enough to beat the big teams, but we would beat the teams in the lower half.

The opposite is true. We did beat the big teams. During the first year at the Emirates, we did the double over United, beat Liverpool 3-0 at home and drew home and away against Chelsea. That was the big four at the time, but we also lost to Fulham, Bolton, West Ham and Sheffield United.

The following season, 2007-08, we lost three times all season, and two of those defeats were in the last two months. And we knocked AC Milan, the holders, out of the Champions League. Kaka, Inzaghi, Nesta, Pirlo and Gattuso played in that tie, undone by Fabregas, Adebayor, Walcott, Flamini and Senderos.

Frankly, I don't care what challenges face Emery, Raul and Edu. The reality is that this period is nowhere near as challenging for Arsenal as it was for Wenger after we left Highbury and had to replace The Invincibles with a fraction of what our rivals were spending at the time.

If he had won the Premier League title in 2008, it would've been blown the 49-game run out of the water entirely as far as achievement goes, and he was only four points away from doing it. He might've even done it if not for the Eduardo injury.

The bloke was a different breed.
We pretty much used to smash liverpool till the suarez sturridgr era. But our record against Chelsea and United in important games wasnt great. I was referring to 2008-2011 era when inspite of losing players we still manage to beat the teams we should beat.

Our squad quality got worse every year after Cesc left uptill we signed ozil, and splashed big during the sanchez years.

Arsene was past it else we would have won when Leicester won the league.

There is no excuse since emery gave xhaka the new contract after wenger left. If everyone thinks it's just xhaka s presence that's holding us back, look at your the options preformed against sheffield.

Id still give emery till the end of the season but he seems to be losing the dressing room s trust

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