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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 16:36

Nothing wrong with a negative post, don't make you less a fan, nor does heaping praise on the team make you more a fan. If my kid does bad at exams I say sort it out and do better. The wife say well done you did your best. That's the difference, doesn't mean one loves the kid more.

Think it's going to be a struggle this year unless we can start hitting the back of the net a bit more and I thinks today just shows we are not set up to score big and rely on the defence to win us games.

Just for mini Andy i must be stupid and have a 50% chance of looking stupid as well. Got it copied so only have to paste now. Lol

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 16:46

Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.

I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.

However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 16:55

Some good points moon, know it's a long season, but think the next couple of weeks could be the deciders.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 16:58

Quote:
2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.

However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.

Pretty spot on

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: bumhobo33 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:12

At least the club got their mileage out of #topoftheleague...do we have one queued up for #playoffpush?

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:12

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Higgosboots
Quote:
2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.

However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.

Pretty spot on
swap GTF for Connor and Higdon for Cook and that's about all your getting progression wise.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:26

Quote:
2 the moon
Quote:
Higgosboots
Quote:
2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.

However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.

Pretty spot on
swap GTF for Connor and Higdon for Cook and that's about all your getting progression wise.

Have to agree, it's a fair summation of the side, although they do offer significantly more than the other two, if Cook, Nors or Connor aren't at the races we offer very little, and as we've seen it's easy to stiffle the front three. Even if you say to them get it wide or run it, it's a bit like saying running around the equator or through a wall, they get cut down time and time again. We need more strength in the middle of the park. I'd like to have seen us sign a couple of big Rugby League types like Eastleigh and Forrest Green have, that would round things off nicely.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: iagoapcen (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:28

it had to happen one day
no big deal
could freshen things up though
they have become slightly stale going forward

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:30

I'll have a word with Mark, Higgo and moon as directors of football
smiling smiley

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TRFCJGregz (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:40

Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.

It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.

However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!

When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.

Here are some thoughts,

- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.

- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.

- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.

- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.

- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:41

Quote:
aktrfc
I'll have a word with Mark, Higgo and moon as directors of football
smiling smiley

First team coach or nothing thanks! grinning smiley

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:44

Consider it done 😀

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Jack of all Trades (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:50

For me the big test will be how the team reacts next week at home to Lincoln.

Sometimes you just have to take a reality check, after all one defeat in 16 away games (W9 D6 L1) is extremely good in anyone's book !!!

Another win on Saturday and today's result is just a blip but, if performances continue to fall short of expectations, we will need to strengthen the squad to maintain competition for places and hopefully regain the momentum.

Aldershot have won all their home games evidently convincingly (didn't go today so can't comment)

I am still pretty impressed by our start though.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 17:53

Quote:
TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.

However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!

When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.

Here are some thoughts,

- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.

- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.

- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.

- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.

- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!

Some fair points, but if you look at them together they all happen pretty regularly and come back to one thing, failure to see and learn from errors, it the rose tinted glasses or ivory tinted in Rovers case. When we perform poorly the post match reaction is the same, we gave away bad goals, were disappointed, were better than that I've told the players. Maybe identify why we give away bad goals in the same manner time and again, why we miss chances time and again. Failure to learn from experience. It's like the player who try's really hard but just can't see the pass or read the danger, managers are the same they can either see it or they can't. A big change for me would be to bring in Sutton at the back and drop out Ihwekie.



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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 18:24

Quote:
2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.

However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.

It's a good thing in the sense that it stops the quotes of "we're top of the league", "we're unbeaten" which deflects the focus away from some of the performances and any progress that has been made. I actually agree with your observations about lack of goals, being laboured and running out of ideas. Still too early to make judgements about our final position in the league as we have a tough road ahead but certainly room for improvement. On another point, honest appraisals being called a meltdown seems a bit dramatic as posters have been expressing concerns consistently, even when winning, if you agree with them or not.



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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 18:42

Quote:
TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.

However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!

When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.

Here are some thoughts,

- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.

- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.

- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.

- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.

- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!

Can't complain about that, @#$%&, that might not be a negative post and make me stupid and have a 50% chance of looking stupid. Just for you mini Andy if you missed the last.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 18:44

Didn't use a bad word above, don't know why it did that

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: LongTimeRover (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 19:10

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Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....
I've got loads of patients but we were@#$%&on Monday and worse today. We lack quality in areas, I'm not being negative just realistic. Well done aldershot 👏

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 19:26

We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we got going after 20 minutes of so!

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: ming05 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 20:15

Well the game that the moaners have been waiting for has happened.

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