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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 20:33

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Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.

However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.

It's a good thing in the sense that it stops the quotes of "we're top of the league", "we're unbeaten" which deflects the focus away from some of the performances and any progress that has been made. I actually agree with your observations about lack of goals, being laboured and running out of ideas. Still too early to make judgements about our final position in the league as we have a tough road ahead but certainly room for improvement. On another point, honest appraisals being called a meltdown seems a bit dramatic as posters have been expressing concerns consistently, even when winning, if you agree with them or not.
sorry don't agree with that. I personally don't think this defeat is a good thing in any sense. Also rather than relieve any pressure I feel it will do the opposite and heap it on in bucketloads. Aldershot are clearly a decent side and have made a good solid start so in that sense you could say this was our first test against a potential rival and by everything I've heard and read we were found wanting. Ok their 3rd sounded like a worldy by a center back and you can't really compensate for that but the fact we were again low scoring is a massive concern for me. I will say we look like we are capable of imoroving on last seasons total and getting a play off spot and of course that would be fantastic but if we have to spend the season watching 1 or 2 pull away I fear the any feel good factor will dissipate. Tranmere as an attacking unit are clearly off the pace compared to the other pace setters. To much emphasis on defence is perhaps shackeling any creativity. Who knows but I will say I'm only being 'negative' as I have genuine concerns about our progression from last season.


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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: kennyspint (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 20:39

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 21:17

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.

My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 21:47

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.

My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: kennyspint (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 21:58

Yup

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: letthestatstellthetruth (IP Logged)
Date: 03 September, 2016 23:18

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Same old, same old. yes we've won 6 but we have not progressed from last season one bit
apart from winning 6 drawing 1 and losing one of first 8', no we haven't done better than last season.

Re: What a wonderful day[and a bit]-not
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 02:13

We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes

Those of us who went by train got absolutely soaked/drowned walking back to the station even though it is only ten minutes from the ground. If the deluge had come half an hour earlier,the match may well have been abandoned.


Then to cap it all,there was a major signalling failure near Wembley which caused mayhem on all the trains and resulted in me getting back 4 and a half hours late having been sat on the train[s] virtually all of that time,arriving back at 0137 instead of 2115 and back home at ten past two.


Why was Norwood playing deep left midfield for that period? Why did Mekki play in the centre -he was atrocious and contributed nothing.Why did we have 3 players booked for dissent and two of them fortunate not to get second yellows?

Is Vaughan injured or dropped?


We were miles better than the last two games but it just didn't work. We deserved something but got nothing.


Haven't read the other posts yet as am too knackered although I ehavebeen told that the usual culprits elsewhere have been laying into the manager. The main thing I would say is substitutes far too late again,Mekki[atrocious] why in the middle and Norwood why at left midfield

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 08:32

There are far too many emotive and sweeping judgements made of fellow posters. Moaners seems to be used to embrace anyone who suggests that flaws have been apparent even when winning.Likewise,whilst there may be a few posters that take glee in a Rovers defeat,these will be very few in number.
We may well have played well for part of today,but there has been an undercurrent of issues that sits across games and across results. I always thought that we were right when we initially released both full backs and was never convinced when both were subsequently offered contracts.Likewise with Jennings.
I take Deadlys pint about playing with wingers in this game but for me there is a deeper question and that is the effectiveness of Mekki.To my mind he deceives to flatter and far too often there is no final ball of quality for our strikers.
At this level most clubs will have flaws and it doesn't mean that we cannot challenge for promotion. If there is a reality check in the last few games it is a reminder that a run of wins does not mean all is right and nor does a period of stumbling mean all is wrong but it does show that there is both scope for improvement and grounds for being concerned.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Kenny_Crons (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 09:00

Great post Devon because it has that key ingredient of perspective in it.

Re: What a wonderful day[and a bit]-not
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 09:29

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We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes

Completely agree with this Hoots. Annoying that we took 20 minutes to wake up and get going but boy were we good when we did!

After that a stupid foul by Maynard that he didn't need to do for the Penalty and a great goal that only goes in once in every 100 efforts was the difference!

Sorry to hear about the train as well. I knew some guys who were also on the train and still hadn't left Euston by about 9pm.

It was no better on the roads though. We went via the M25 where we were stuck for an hour then a stoppage on the M6 followed by a total closure which we avoided by coming off.

Coupled with my half hour drive home from Prenton Park when I was dropped off I was home just the right side of 11pm!



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Re: What a wonderful day[and a bit]-not
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 10:19

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We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes

Completely agree with this Hoots. Annoying that we took 20 minutes to wake up and get going but boy were we good when we did!
After that a stupid foul by Maynard that he didn't need to do for the Penalty and a great goal that only goes in once in every 100 efforts was the difference!

Sorry to hear about the train as well. I knew some guys who were also on the train and still hadn't left Euston by about 9pm.

It was no better on the roads though. We went via the M25 where we were stuck for an hour then a stoppage on the M6 followed by a total closure which we avoided by coming off.

Coupled with my half hour drive home from Prenton Park when I was dropped off I was home just the right side of 11pm!


We were due to leave Euston at 7-20,eventually left at 9-40,took another hour and a quarter to get past Wembley,got diverted through Northampton,took two and a half hours to get to Rugby and had extra stops added on.

I knew as soon as they introduced somebody called Iffy that it might be and it was......


''Emotive and sweeping judgements'' as I have said before -I say it as I see it.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 10:21

I noticed Iffy coming on! It got us talking about Iffy Onuora!

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 10:57

Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: scousetaff (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 11:05

Quote from the Aldershot site:-

They seem like a big up and under team.. Exemplified by the, shall we say rather overweight elderly centre back... He and the little fella who took the yellow seem susceptable to balls played along the floor.. hope garys noticed as theres goals there.. Cant beleive this lot are top but I spose they played the top teams yet...

I tend to agree with this. ( course he means haven't played the top teams yet ).
I think we might come unstuck against Lincoln too - hoping to be proved wrong.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 11:17

Speaking to other fans alot say we are well known as a long ball team

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:04

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.

My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.


Results performances and points from last weekend were not ok -should have been six points without doubt. Yesterdays performance was miles better. We did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty which occurred during an absolute deluge. Norwood playing left midfield first half hour particularly was ridiculous but even more so was the inclusion of Mekki at all. If he doesn't play on the wing,he contributes nothing and I'm not even sure about him when he does play there.

Maynard should be back in defensive midfield although,apart from the penalty,he was one of our best performers yesterday.

It was actually a pretty good game. unfortunately it went their way.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:07

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Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement

Hold on? This is what I've been saying since the season started and now you're flipping it the other way cos we lost?

All season when we hadn't lost a game and played quite well at times people wanted more and yet now cos we have lost and given people something to moan about, a positive performance doesn't matter - even though that's what people have been crying out for?

I can't take this baffling logic any longer it's blown my head.



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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:09

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.

My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.


We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:10

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.

My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.

Agreed Hoots


We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:19

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Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.

However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!

When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.

Here are some thoughts,

- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.

- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.

- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.

- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.

- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!

Connor Jennings was much better yesterday

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