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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:36

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We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???

It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.

My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.


We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.
fair enough Hoots you were at the game so you are in a better position than me. I did say seemingly for all the usual reasons based on what I've heard and the radio coverage. Reasons such as not scoring more than 1 goal. Players out of position as you pointed etc

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:41

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Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement

Hold on? This is what I've been saying since the season started and now you're flipping it the other way cos we lost?

All season when we hadn't lost a game and played quite well at times people wanted more and yet now cos we have lost and given people something to moan about, a positive performance doesn't matter - even though that's what people have been crying out for?

I can't take this baffling logic any longer it's blown my head.
No, you've been saying it does'nt matter if you play badly as long as you win. so equally it does'nt if you play well if you lose. As you've said it's a results game

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:44

The performance is irrelevant its the result that counts, which is what all us "Negative moaners" have been told past week or so. The result is we lost. We CAN loose games and win the league about 7 I reckon so we mark. still have 6 in the bag approaching the 1/4 way. Rovers have never done anything the easy way and imploding is certainly not a trait of just GBs teams, even the great mans blue an white army did it the hard was. Promoted through playoffs and runner up spots, even going to extra time to beat Bolton. Top of second division at Christmas and ending up in the playoffs loosing against Swindon and missing the Premier League. Its what Tranmere Rovers do.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 13:51

Which emphasises my point about why people have been complaining about performances when we got the results? Or does it only work one way?

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 14:43

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Which emphasises my point about why people have been complaining about performances when we got the results? Or does it only work one way?

I guess it's baffling to some because you've defended the results when the performances weren't great, now you're defending the performance now the result's not great. Some will question does it always have to be positive (sorry you did criticise Mekki, again, and did question about changing a winning team so a hint of negativity creeps in immediately after a negative result). I guess we all have time to take stock. Is it a results game or is it a performance game? Whatever slant we take on it we lost, full stop. If we play well and lost 3-1 this could well be deemed as worrying.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: bumhobo33 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 15:03

Have just seen the highlights online...can anyone who was there explain what happened on the penalty with Davies, he seemed fired up before the kick and looked to receive a card as well. A lot of huffing and puffing from him before the shot.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 16:20

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Have just seen the highlights online...can anyone who was there explain what happened on the penalty with Davies, he seemed fired up before the kick and looked to receive a card as well. A lot of huffing and puffing from him before the shot.

I was quite a distance away but from where I was sat it looked like he was doing his damndest to put the penalty taker off

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 16:32

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The performance is irrelevant its the result that counts, which is what all us "Negative moaners" have been told past week or so. The result is we lost. We CAN loose games and win the league about 7 I reckon so we mark. still have 6 in the bag approaching the 1/4 way. Rovers have never done anything the easy way and imploding is certainly not a trait of just GBs teams, even the great mans blue an white army did it the hard was. Promoted through playoffs and runner up spots, even going to extra time to beat Bolton. Top of second division at Christmas and ending up in the playoffs loosing against Swindon and missing the Premier League. Its what Tranmere Rovers do.

I like many others voiced my discontent at the Southport and Guiseley performances and do not think it's irrelevant because we ''got the result''[well we did against Guiseley anyway-Southport was appalling].Yesterday it was a decent game which turned on the penalty but which we played much much better than the previous two. But we lost so technically you are correct. The result is all that will show in the records-it is the cynical be all and end all.Having been there,I probably have a different viewpoint because I know how it happened and how we played.I remember my day out in Aldershot[for a number of reasons as outlined earlier]but not being entertained is not one of them.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 18:56

Are we top of the league still no. So our results have not been as good as FGR. Now we start to play some of the better teams. If we don't start to score more goals we are going struggle as I'm sure the other teams are going to put some past us. Also I'm not having this rubbish that teams give 110% against us and not in any other games, for me that's just a cop out.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 19:09

We've had the same results as Forest Green as we are level? Jeez

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 04 September, 2016 19:23

Technically not as there goals difference is superior so they've had better results. By the By I do think we will win the league at a canter too, from what I've seen so far we've had one good game against Eastleigh where we looked a real side, everything else I've seen has been a little bit iffy yet we are level on points with a FGR, who's hoof ball will eventually mean they come unstuck, good for playoffs but can't see them winning it, still can't see past us for that.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Fiftyyearsarover (IP Logged)
Date: 05 September, 2016 07:22

Don't agree with higgosboots .we will not win this League at a canter .we might make the playoffs ,we will only do that because of some poor sides in this league, the likes of Lincoln are about 10goals ahead on GD even York city have scored 4twice. l admire the diehards on here who actually think we are a good side we are not and we are about to be found out, we are better than last season but the same problems are starting to emerge, our so called top strike force for some reason are not getting enough goals we need to convert more chances, the long ball is not for us to many big defenders in this league it's like head tennis some games .I appreciate other opinions and views but I gave up my rose tinted glasses years ago,higgosboots is spot on we only do things the hard way should be another nail biting season

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 05 September, 2016 10:32

I think the fairest and most sensible thing to do is see how the team reacts to this defeat?

Surely it's a wake up call and I'm sure a few of them will be gutted by this defeat?

Let's draw a line under this and start another run, but ensure that we learn from the 3 previous below parr performances and try to show just how good this group of players actually are!

Too soon to be doom & gloom merchants, it's one defeat, as long as they put it right next time out then we have to get behind them.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 05 September, 2016 10:49

Let's not forget it's impossible to perform to your maximum all the time in sport, all performers and sides peak and trough. It's how you deal with the troughs that count, even Barca peak and trough. I really feared for how we would cope when the gap in games grew to weekly as opposed every 3 days because we were on such a role and a clear peak, the worst teams we could have played after the first 7 day gap was Southport, Chester or Wrexham, local derby. We've picke up 4 from 9 in our trough so far, not too bad 6 from 9 would have been ideal though.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 05 September, 2016 11:58

have seen the goals from Saturday on you tube. ive never been to the recreation ground but having seen it on tv many times before, one thing I will say is that their ground has hardly changed over the years.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: trfc92 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 September, 2016 12:33

10 months away from home unbeaten was always going to come to an end at some point, great form. Joint top in the league. Not all doom and gloom. Unlucky lads we go again Saturday!

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: letthestatstellthetruth (IP Logged)
Date: 05 September, 2016 16:18

I have just looked through the last 10 years of National League tables. In general, the team being promoted won 28-31 games. The losses range from 5 to 11.

The travesty that is the playoff system hit Wrexham when Fleetwood were promoted having won 31 to Wrexham's 30, and despite Wrexham being 15 points better off than third place, York got through the playoffs from fourth.

So, we are currently on target for 30 wins but so are a few others. Consistency is key. That was lacking last season. if trends continue it looks like another season where the potential champions will have had to win 30 plus games. Hopefully this season the home form will be much improved.

Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 06 September, 2016 17:16

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I have just looked through the last 10 years of National League tables. In general, the team being promoted won 28-31 games. The losses range from 5 to 11.
The travesty that is the playoff system hit Wrexham when Fleetwood were promoted having won 31 to Wrexham's 30, and despite Wrexham being 15 points better off than third place, York got through the playoffs from fourth.

So, we are currently on target for 30 wins but so are a few others. Consistency is key. That was lacking last season. if trends continue it looks like another season where the potential champions will have had to win 30 plus games. Hopefully this season the home form will be much improved.

Agreed, I reckon if we loose 7 draw seven that should do it.

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