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Taking the knee
Posted by: the kav (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 06:28

Looks like the bbc are trying to whip up a snowflake frenzy due to ref forgetting to ask tranmere and Newports players to take the knee yesterday. . Complete non story

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Crazylegs Cranebird (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 07:48

if the ref gets struck off the list for forgetting I won't shed a tear.
He was a "homer" crappo from start to finish.



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Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: gary anderson (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 07:55

All this take the knee nonsense is getting out of hand .its makeing decent black people feel bad .you should not need to take the knee or any other gesture or be forced to do so .but to make it some sort of law is getting out of hand .there are good and bad in all races colours and religions you will never change that .just live your life in a decent responsible manner and expect people for what they are .this take the knee thing will just bring more resentment and more problems .just be decent and respectfull to each other is the best way dont force a issue

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: the kav (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 09:08

Well said gary I completely agree

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 09:37

I hate taking the knee. Not what it represents, but how it started. It wasn't purely about racism, but as much about an NFL player trying to ensure he got paid the money he thought he was due as well. Personally I can't divorce it from that.

He could have done any number of things, such as copying the black power salute from the Mexico Olympics. He could have hung his head in shame, or turned his back, or spoken out and used his position to really drive home a valid point. But he had to make it about him first and so did something what would rile Florida Man and the corn and rust belts to the extreme. And it did, and still does, but it has been largely counterproductive. You could draw a direct correlation between Trump's rise and taking the knee if you wanted and I wouldn't argue, even though other factors were in play too. Marcus Rashford's campaign about child poverty and hunger is not only far more dignified, it is far more powerful and effective - it is not about him, it is about him using his status and visibility to draw attention to an issue that shouldn't exist.

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: mrGr33n13 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 09:51

Not to mention BLM is an organisation that has raised 1.2m in the UK.

It demands to end capitalism, state systems, police, prisons and the nuclear family.

It wants to reform education to isuit it's own agenda and is an extreme political organisation.

We should have no part in hashtagging the name of any political org, much less an extremist Marxist (excuse the redundancy there) one.

And performative actions in the name of this org should not be tolerated by us fans when we are back in the grounds. We should let our displeasure be known

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: EgoEgoEgo (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 10:40

Quote:
mrGr33n13
Not to mention BLM is an organisation that has raised 1.2m in the UK.
It demands to end capitalism, state systems, police, prisons and the nuclear family.

It wants to reform education to isuit it's own agenda and is an extreme political organisation.

We should have no part in hashtagging the name of any political org, much less an extremist Marxist (excuse the redundancy there) one.

And performative actions in the name of this org should not be tolerated by us fans when we are back in the grounds. We should let our displeasure be known

+1

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Uptonrover (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 10:44

Correct me if im wrong but i only remember it taking part with us for the first time v salford?? Not been an outcry before and its coming from the Newport media not our end. If the BLM organisation thought life mattered that much they wouldnt have been gathering en mass in London and wherever else during a pandemic defying strict lockdown law (will also accept they were not the only ones)



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 18/10/2020 10:48 by Uptonrover.

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Yiggsy (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 11:23

Oops... thought this was about Pickford's assault on van Dijk. :|

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: gary anderson (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 11:29

There are lots of opinions on this take the knee and blm movement .everyone is entitled to have one .not everyone will agree with another .but the simple fact is it's all got out of hand .taking the knee is a personal choice no one should be forced to do something there not happy with and that should be respected whether you agree or not .the blm movement some say is a extremist movement to make change by force .people races and religions have been disagreeing with each other for hundreds of years and sorry to say this will never change .I personality could not care if a person is black white Gary straight it should not matter as it's the person not his colour or religion or his sexuality that matters .we are all individuals and have our own beliefs on many subjects and no one person or movement should force there views on another .as always said live your life how you want treat each other with respect and violent protests and insults never solved anything and never will .we are all human all live on the same planet and if some dont agree or get on with others so be it that's the way life is and make the best of it .but sport is a pleasure pastime and should not be used to put political point across we are there to watch a pleasure pastime let's keep it that way leave the political arguments in parliaments and venues for such discussions

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: mrGr33n13 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 11:54

so it seems ex footballer nathan blake is the one stirring the pot:

โ€œThis is Newport, walk over that bridge and you are in Pill, probably one of the biggest black populations in Great Britain,โ€ Blake said to County chairman Gavin Foxall after the game.

โ€œYou have fans here who are black, white, Asian. Donโ€™t you feel accountability to those people?

โ€œItโ€™s not about putting up banners today and forgetting tomorrow. You either believe in it and are with it, or you are not.โ€

this is the pernicious trick BLM have pulled. they have closely aligned the cause of equality and the needs of black people to an avowedly marxist political pressure group.

not performing for the group is seen as evidence that you do not believe in fighting racism. you either endorse BLM or you are out.

no chance that our club should be using the BLM slogan or taking part in performative support for such a group.

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Uptonrover (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 12:04

Is Gary some new way of expressing ones preferances? ๐Ÿ˜€

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: mrGr33n13 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 12:15

the word preferences was last week deemed offensive, upton.

you might want to edit that biggoted post you just made...

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Uptonrover (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 12:19

Seriously???

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: mrGr33n13 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 12:38

literally last week.

mirraim webster updated their entry to say that the term preference in relation to sexuality is offensive as it implies sexuality is a choice rather than innate.

now one might argue that preferences are innate and people make choice based on preferences, but that would be claiming that there are empiracally true facts

the notiont that there are facts and truths that are foundational and objective is simply western, white and male thought exerting itself and pushing out the lived experiences of other cultures.

literally people were getting called racist for exerting that 2+2=4 on twitter.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eeiwrh7U8AUyRUV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Uptonrover (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 14:19

Jeeez

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: mrGr33n13 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 14:24

this is the sort of thinking that BLM activists are attemptin to impose on the education system.

it's why i am so very vocal in opposing the club supporting the BLM organisation either directly through hashtagging them on social media and using the BLM letters on kits / promo material, but also indirectly by taking a knee.

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Eric01 Tranmere (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 15:23

I noticed that several times people or groups are referred to as Marxist. Marxism is simply a theory of political economy. There are some academics who see how much the theories of Adam Smith were almost aligned to those of Karl Marx. I think describing something or someone as Marxist is simply lazy if the intention is to be critical. By the way Karl would have been an Arsenal fan in the same way as Engels would have been a City fan.

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: Cybertron (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 15:31

Quote:
EgoEgoEgo
Quote:
mrGr33n13
Not to mention BLM is an organisation that has raised 1.2m in the UK.
It demands to end capitalism, state systems, police, prisons and the nuclear family.

It wants to reform education to isuit it's own agenda and is an extreme political organisation.

We should have no part in hashtagging the name of any political org, much less an extremist Marxist (excuse the redundancy there) one.

And performative actions in the name of this org should not be tolerated by us fans when we are back in the grounds. We should let our displeasure be known

+1
+1
The way the world works is like this....I'll use 3rd wave intersectional feminism as the example....

You are asked 'Do you believe in equality?'
so you answer 'Yes',
question 2.....'So you are a feminist?'

If you say yes, you just signed up to the whole 3rd wave feminist idiology, if you offer argument about one of the points you are hit with "So you don't believe in equality'.

Now substitute BLM and racism and you have the same trap.

I don't think many right minded people are in favour of racism or inequality, but in todays climate that signs you up to a marxist idiology.

I am off now to check my privilage...

Re: Taking the knee
Posted by: greasbyrover (IP Logged)
Date: 18 October, 2020 15:46

Arrange a confidential vote from all players on whether to continue taking the knee, or not. Then abide by the result.

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