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Think we will win it, but I don't think it will be a landslide like many are asking for. We do need more goals but these things don't happen in one day. We are however playing better that at anytime last year, once the goals come I think we'll be unstoppable. Even though we are only 6 games in everyone's a must win already if we want that Champions spot and the promotion place that goes with it, you can't win the league before Christmas but you can definitely loose it.

I'm feeling at least 3 goals of us, think the team will be a bit @#$%& off with the Southport performance and will redeem. SWA

I am sure we will win tomorrow and we need to score a few goals just to right matters after Saturday. It may not be easy but anything other than a win would be nothing short of disastrous against a side yet to pick up a point!

Let's win a game convincingly. We've been getting chances to score 3/4/5 a game just not putting them away. My blind faith says Monday is the day they go flooding in

Will Brabin come out and say it's a tough challenge,Guiseley a tough nut to crack we will have to be careful and not go gung ho get a goal and hold on play it tight.

Sod that Gary for once set the team to attack from all fronts use winger's throw everything including the kitchen sink in. We need a win but a good win.

See match preview for honest appraisal.

Saturday could just be a blip but anything less than a convincing win would really knock confidence.The cliche is that there are no easy fixtures but any promotion candidate would surely expect to take this game easily.It may be just the game to try Stephenson

Not arsed how we win or by how many. Three points if three points as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed Sub, people need to understand this is now about getting out of this division and nothing else.

Is scraping a win against a side who our rivals have convincingly beaten a statement of getting out of this division?

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Is scraping a win against a side who our rivals have convincingly beaten a statement of getting out of this division?

If we get the three points then yes it clearly is. It's always a case of having to have something to whinge about no matter much better things get. Baffling if I'm totally honest.

The only statement that will get universal recognition from opposition sides is points on the board. Scratchy wins often irk the teams around you more than a convincing win in my experience and we all know that bottom end sides are often wounded beasts who will occasionally fight back. Turning up tomorrow looking for a landslide is just not realistic.

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It's always a case of having to have something to whinge about no matter much better things get. Baffling if I'm totally honest.

I politely don't think it's baffling to want the team occasionally to muller people to get 3 points, as it shows you've got the goal scoring to hand in the case of a b standard performance and you put doubt in an opponents mind if you win strongly sometimes, rather than give them hope, if they think your ability to win is a bit fragile / suspect too much.

There's probably never been many teams in any league in the world winning the top prize, with loads of 1 goal winning margins and Tranmere had some results last season where they won by 2+ goals and still fell just short of playoff contention.

This side has been bolstered with players that get goals and have contributed, especially Cook and therefore it's not unreasonable for some people to think, that a side capable of winning a few last season by 2+ goal margins, could do it again, but sure if Tranmere got 94 points for example and won the title with the worst title winning goal difference, in any 46 game league in England in the last 50 years, it's still the title and it would still be valid for sure and I'd be over the moon, as it would show more consistency of scoring, as the defense last season was pretty reliable most of the time, so the biggest reason for the title win, if Tranmere do it, will be more goals rather than a much tighter defense as well, but if you're more consistent in scoring, then surely you should be able to win some games by 2 or more goals, if you can do that with a weaker scoring arsenal in the previous season.

So if people see goal scoring players being brought in, why shouldn't they want for a few scorelines akin to last season, when the goal scoring arsenal wasn't as potent, but a few big wins occurred all the same?

I won't say people happy for loads of wins by a goal or 2 aren't ambitious, because it's winning that counts and last season proved it and a few games where you get 4 against Gateshead and Barrow make headlines, especially Barrow, but promotion didn't occur, but wanting a few big wins to top off a potentially good season isn't being negative to me or overly ambitious.

Personally a win is a win whether it's 1-0 or 4-0, but those not overly concerned about the margin of victory as long as you get victories, wouldn't call a 4-0 winning scoreline an indulgent and unnecessary event, but they would enjoy it all the same, so then could it look a bit hypocritical to some, if someone says why are people being negative and clamouring for big wins, when it's only the winning that matters not the margin, but then if the team wins big the same people say something like ohh delighted with that big win.

Would those happy for 1 or 2 goal margins be rounded on for fussing over a big win, as opposed to saying I'm not bothered about the margin of victory as the win was the most important thing not by how much.

I'm completely cool with anyone saying the win is the only thing that matters, because it's true, but I'm still one those hankering for an occasional trouncing of a team, just to add gloss to any potential promotion, so I guess I can see both sides of the argument, because sometimes you can have grass that's equally as green on either side of a fence .

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.



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And what you describe is a healthy dollop of realistic expectation there Matt. However, when people start using words like 'we need to beat them by god knows how many' it just isn't realistic. A drubbing could be handed out against a team, but equally a difficult game that goes to the wire can also arise, regardless of league position. I suppose what I am saying is people need to treat each team in the same way, in that the primary job is to get a win on the board and anything after that is a bonus.

Yes a win is a win, 1-0 or 6-0 but wouldn't 3 or 4-0 make you feel good, after all we're there to enjoy?

Agree a win is a win. But we are creating chance after chance which I feel we need to convert into 2 goals a game. We can always concede so I would prefer we give ourselves that margin for error. Also a 2 goal lead gives the defence a bit less pressure as they know 1 mistake doesn't drop us 2 points.

I think the lack of goals also gives the opposition hope, they come thinking if we can sneak one we have a chance because rovers rarely score 2.

Not looking for a 3-0 drubbing but prefer a 2-1 to a 1-0 given the chances we are creating week in week out.

Let's get back to better performance on Monday.

Also as I have said before I would like to see the team rotated a little and give some of the squad a game, we look like a quality squad this year so let's make use of it

We need a strong peformance today and a good result. Other league teams will have seen our results, so now let's put some fear into them when they watch us play.

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Yes a win is a win, 1-0 or 6-0 but wouldn't 3 or 4-0 make you feel good, after all we're there to enjoy?

Absolutely, but you can't turn up expecting that outcome - it just doesn't always work out like that, regardless of the opposition's league position. We all want to see them walloping teams but people need to be patient.

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Agree a win is a win. But we are creating chance after chance which I feel we need to convert into 2 goals a game. We can always concede so I would prefer we give ourselves that margin for error. Also a 2 goal lead gives the defence a bit less pressure as they know 1 mistake doesn't drop us 2 points.
I think the lack of goals also gives the opposition hope, they come thinking if we can sneak one we have a chance because rovers rarely score 2.

Not looking for a 3-0 drubbing but prefer a 2-1 to a 1-0 given the chances we are creating week in week out.

Let's get back to better performance on Monday.

Also as I have said before I would like to see the team rotated a little and give some of the squad a game, we look like a quality squad this year so let's make use of it

Just reading the echo, Interview with Brabin, think he will ring the changes today reading it, and TBF I have to agree with him, we've been winning so why change the setup, we've "dropped" two points (personally i think it was a good point) so time for a change in line up, in his words we looked fresher with substitutions and Ridehalgh Mekki and Kirby have given him something to think about so maybe Ridehalgh to LB Hughes into Midfield Kirby in for Jennings/Harris Kirby for C Jennings, would be surprised personally to see 3 swaps.

Yes a win is a win, but you can't win the league with narrow scorelines and a backs against the wall performance in the last 15 minutes is each game. Surely we are all here to see us do well? I'm not knocking our points tally, but yes I am knocking our finishing again. We all saw how trying to hold onto a 1-0 worked last season.

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Yes a win is a win, but you can't win the league with narrow scorelines and a backs against the wall performance in the last 15 minutes is each game. Surely we are all here to see us do well? I'm not knocking our points tally, but yes I am knocking our finishing again. We all saw how trying to hold onto a 1-0 worked last season.

Sitting back on a 1-0 lead and playing too deep is not the fault of the strikers.We still do not create enough chances for them.

I'm not saying we are sitting deep. We are making the chances to be out of sight by half time. When you go into the last 10 minutes with a 1 goal lead, it just invites the away team to push everything at us, and thats when it becomes backs against the wall. If we are not capable of finishing teams off, then we won't win the league imo.

What is happening is most teams are letting us have the ball, and getting eleven men behind it, and trying for a nil nil. All they want to do is kill the game. Eastliegh time wasting on one of their corners in the first half was a classic example.

When we score they completely change their style, so a 1-0 shouldnt be a disappointment even though I would like to give someone a tanking.

This is even the case when we play away, which is odd.

come on rovers 3 pts today. I am all set n ready to watch it. half past midnight kick off here.



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ronnies eastleigh are 5 up at bromley. FGR stuffing southport. daggers losing.

lovely bank hol weather back at home.. nice pass from mcnulty for nors and well taken goal.. nothing wrong with connor Jennings disallowed goal, clearly onside..commentator said linesman had sun in his eyes, lol.. guiseley sitting deep and frustrating us. mcnulty reads the game well. hopefully we can open them up in 2nd half.

Excellent time for the daggers to slip up. Would be great to pull slightly away from them just as they thought they might catch us.

Living in Frodsham I decided to watch on tv save some money ,glad I did ,shocking performance to many long balls misplaced passes ,on tv you can see a lot more ,Connor Jennings was really poor kept giving ball away ,Mekki looked useful when he came on caused them some trouble last 2games both bottom sides 2goals simply not good enough automatic promotion ? I don't think so ,woeful. and yes it is negative but you say what you see

Thought Jimmy Harvey's point at half time suggesting we trying to be too intricate rather than running at them was a point well made, Mekki started well doing just that. Far too many balls either passed sideways of hooved upfield. Jimmy, IMO has s better idea than Brabin.

A win is a win, four points from six not to be sniffed at but and a very big but, two goals against the bottom two clubs not good enough. Other teams knocking in 3, 4 and 5. Don't expect this every week but a lack of goals will come and bite us on the back side. The same old problem of not putting the ball between the sticks is in my opinion very worrying.

thought we were ok first half, unconvincing second half.. guiseley came to frustrate us and they did.. thought they defended pretty well with so many men behind the ball.. we were in control though and guiseley never threatened , will take the 3 pts all day long. thought mekki did ok for the first ten mins that he was on and he gave us some much needed width but then the width from him disappeared, why ? would liked to have seen what Stephenson can do. we have a big target man/striker in andy cook so a few balls into cook from out wide would be nice to see. connor Jennings being played onside by 2 guiseley defenders for the disallowed goal. not convincining but top o the league.. decent crowd considering the tv cameras were there.

Another win let's not be negative are home form last season was poor to say the least we've sorted that out ok we're not scoring 4-5 but I don't care if we get the 3 points the only thing I would say there was lots of occasions were if we looked up are players would've seen there was loads of space to run into good finish from nors onto the next game we go still unbeaten by the way smile and enjoy it.

We've got to get about I'm afraid, don't give a sh&it about the negativity police. That was poor today, no guile no composure no skill, no learning from the previous ten long balls or 6 arrow straight runs offside. Norwood and Jennings was like a Commedy sketch, at no point did they decide to run across the defenders to stay onside, there centre half completely bossed it, offside trap and dominated the long ball, we looked effective when we went direct to Cooks feet, target men don't have to have it pumped up in the air. Why oh why he won't play Mekki is beyond me only one who ran at them and when he did caused problems. Connor Jennings was poor after a promising first few games constantly running into 3 an 4 players. Norwood worked hard ran hard but he has to start running smarter, flying straight at the man with ball makes it easy for them. We need to go 4 4 2, Norwood and Cook up top, Jennings and Mekki outside, Hughes and Maynard in the middle. We've played two teams in the bottom 2 in two days scored two conceded 1, FG have stuck 5 past Southport today. We are not going to win the league without a drastic change, yes 6 wins 1 draw but who have we played. Forest Green will murder us and they will walk the league. But on the plus side no chances 1 goal.



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Watching on telly you get to see more of the pitch. I cannot believe how many men they were getting behind the ball! It's hard to play against that.

Credit to the lads for carrying on, keeping their composure and controlling the game. At no point were we tested.

Did we play amazing? No. Did we need too? No

Teams set up to defend against us, they don't against most other teams, hence the big scores.

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Watching on telly you get to see more of the pitch. I cannot believe how many men they were getting behind the ball! It's hard to play against that.

Yes but we knew in pre season virtually every side where going to come here and play two banks of 8, it's no excuse, every week the manger alludes to it. Do you think it's any different for the other teams like Wrexham or Forrest Green, was it any different for Cheltenham last season, it's not as if it's a surprise. Forrest a green have thumped Southport ,that team that Brabin reckoned were back on track. You have to at it from the off and score a couple and knock the stuffing out of them. We are sitting back flicking balls,walking out from the back, lumping it forwards and letting teams grow into the game and get confidence. The last two results send the message that you can nick a point off us or 3 if your good enough.

A great result again and three points clear at the Top as well as still being unbeaten!

Guiseley's 9-0-1 formation was always going to be tough to break down (not a dig at them for doing it by the way against the Top side in the League) and yet in the first half we managed it twice - one of the worst offside decisions I've ever seen denying us one of course!

After a long run of games we were happy to let them have some of the ball knowing we were probably not going to be threatened )and never were).

Most players did well and Mekki did OK for the first couple of minutes after coming on too but then faded!

Mekki coming on wasn't the wrong decision but Harris going off was in my opinion!

All in all though another great three points to end up as clear at the top as we were going into the Bank Holiday Weekend!

Well done again lads!

I couldn't understand why when mekki came on that for the first ten mins he did pretty well down the right with a bit of pace then after that nothing. he seemed to have more of a central role from then on. width and pace I like, decent wide players with pace will open up conference defenders. rovers weren't pretty but guiseley just defended with so many.

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Watching on telly you get to see more of the pitch. I cannot believe how many men they were getting behind the ball! It's hard to play against that.

Yes but we knew in pre season virtually every side where going to come here and play two banks of 8, it's no excuse, every week the manger alludes to it. Do you think it's any different for the other teams like Wrexham or Forrest Green, was it any different for Cheltenham last season, it's not as if it's a surprise. Forrest a green have thumped Southport ,that team that Brabin reckoned were back on track. You have to at it from the off and score a couple and knock the stuffing out of them. We are sitting back flicking balls,walking out from the back, lumping it forwards and letting teams grow into the game and get confidence. The last two results send the message that you can nick a point off us or 3 if your good enough.

2 banks 8 no wonder we struggled to score more than 1 not bad considering we played against at least 16 men

would liked to have seen Stephenson get a little run out to see what he can do. anyway off to bed 3:30am here gotta get up at 7:30 groan groan.

Can't say we didn't try to score more than one today, thought the performance was adequate but we still haven't clicked yet with regards to knowing who will make the run and get the space etc.. Guiseley put 10 men behind the ball the whole game and that spoilt the fluidity of play. A win was what we needed and we got it. Connor Jennings and Rideligh passing very poor today. Pleased with the mileage Norwood puts in, he just runs from box to box all day long. Mekki made a difference when he came on, but would like to see Stephenson get a look in.

Mekki was decent for first few minutes and as always disappointed later in game, I really can't see what people see in him. Was right to make sub but rather give Stephenson or Kirby a go.

Lets face it we are not going to 'muller' anyone.
on the flip side nobody is going to 'muller' us.

Very happy with the win and what is for me a phenomenal start to the season, No hiding the fact we were poor today and if we swapped Cook and Connor for GTF and Higdon (or any of the other lot that attmpted to play up there) it was no different and hasn't progressed from last season.

I have defended Brabin to the hilt in the past but now i am asking myself are we only narrowly beating teams based purely on the fact we have better players.

It was very tough today and i do understand how hard it can be playing a team that puts everyone behind the ball. It seemed like they were playing for a 0-0 draw then playing for a 1-0 defeat.

perfectly good goal by Connor ruled out which would of made a big difference as you can tell with teams like Guisely that the flood gates wont open at 1.

I went to Bromley 0 Eastleigh 5 this afternoon. Good to see Ronnie who, I feel, was treated badly by Rovers. Not surprisingly, he's organised them well. They were 2-0 up and on top when Bromley had a man sent off - just a one-off, not a dirty game at all. Bromley aren't the worst side in this division (at the moment, Guiseley are) but they were demolished. Eastleigh played decent, confident football and 5-0 was a fair result. Apart from Dawson (he was very good today) I would say that Tranmere have better players in every position but Tranmere didn't win 5-0 at Bromley and (I think) wouldn't have even if Bromley had had a player sent off. I will be very surprised if Ronnie doesn't get Eastleigh into the play-offs. The start Rovers have had is great but narrow scorelines mean players are always playing under threat of losing points - it's working so far but it is risky.

Thought Mekki, played well the whole time he was on the pitch. We need to score goals, simple as that. Our run of luck will run out at some point. Being happy to scrape a 1-0 and a 1-1 against the bottom two side is being negative. What FGR and Eastleigh did today was possative and sent a message out to the others. The only message we sent out was come and have a go, because is you score then there is a good chance of 3 point or 1.

We also have the 3rd best Goal Difference in the League as well currently!

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Lets face it we are not going to 'muller' anyone.
on the flip side nobody is going to 'muller' us.

Very happy with the win and what is for me a phenomenal start to the season, No hiding the fact we were poor today and if we swapped Cook and Connor for GTF and Higdon (or any of the other lot that attmpted to play up there) it was no different and hasn't progressed from last season.

I have defended Brabin to the hilt in the past but now i am asking myself are we only narrowly beating teams based purely on the fact we have better players.

It was very tough today and i do understand how hard it can be playing a team that puts everyone behind the ball. It seemed like they were playing for a 0-0 draw then playing for a 1-0 defeat.

perfectly good goal by Connor ruled out which would of made a big difference as you can tell with teams like Guisely that the flood gates wont open at 1.

He's tactically inept, I thought against Eastleigh we were really good but we've gone backwards. What I don't get is that teams come here (an not just here) and stick men behind the ball and make us struggle. He then goes all over the media telling all and sundry how difficult we find and how we don't like it. Why doesn't he just post them our team and tactics a week before.

Forest green and Eastleigh might well be sending out messages by scoring 5 past a mid table side. Our message to them is we beat Eastleigh, and we'll beat forest green.

Big score lines are great. Consistent scoreline are better, look at Leicester!

I'm amazed at our fans on here this weekend!

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We also have the 3rd best Goal Difference in the League as well currently!

Yeah because we've only conceded 3 and that won't last, we haven't played anyone half decent other than Eastleigh who sacked the manager a few days later. We've just played two teams who have conceded 25 goals in 7 games, which is more than 3 per game and we contributed only two of them. I called for 9 wins from the first 9 when the fixtures came out because we had such an easy start, 6 of the 7 we've played currently occupy the bottom half, 3 in relegation zone and one 5th from bottom.



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Delighted with our position ... 19 points after 7 games is a tremendous start .. However having witnessed the last 2 performances I am concerned it is all too good to be true .. As others have said goal scoring is still a problem .. Harris and Conor Jennings poor today .. Hopefully we can produce an improved performance next Saturday .. Pleased for Ronnie Moore .. He was treated badly twice by tranmere .. Then he kept Hartlepool up at our expense ..

I wasn't aware they were rudderless either, no manager.

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Lets face it we are not going to 'muller' anyone.
on the flip side nobody is going to 'muller' us.

Very happy with the win and what is for me a phenomenal start to the season, No hiding the fact we were poor today and if we swapped Cook and Connor for GTF and Higdon (or any of the other lot that attmpted to play up there) it was no different and hasn't progressed from last season.

I have defended Brabin to the hilt in the past but now i am asking myself are we only narrowly beating teams based purely on the fact we have better players.

It was very tough today and i do understand how hard it can be playing a team that puts everyone behind the ball. It seemed like they were playing for a 0-0 draw then playing for a 1-0 defeat.

perfectly good goal by Connor ruled out which would of made a big difference as you can tell with teams like Guisely that the flood gates wont open at 1.

He's tactically inept, I thought against Eastleigh we were really good but we've gone backwards. What I don't get is that teams come here (an not just here) and stick men behind the ball and make us struggle. He then goes all over the media telling all and sundry how difficult we find and how we don't like it. Why doesn't he just post them our team and tactics a week before.

A friend of mine came to the game today and thought our players were clearly better but that we should expect a bit more from them.

He also though our best players were McNulty, Mekki and Hughes.



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I wasn't aware they were rudderless either, no manager.

is your name Charles and do you in the kop

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Mekki was decent for first few minutes and as always disappointed later in game, I really can't see what people see in him. Was right to make sub but rather give Stephenson or Kirby a go.

Correct .He was fine on the wing for his first two minutes,then drifted into the centre and got lost amidst the rest of the mediocrity around him.

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I wasn't aware they were rudderless either, no manager.

is your name Charles and do you in the kop

Nope, I sit in the Johnny King, and listen to all the clueless commenting from old codgers in beige trousers and corderoid jackets, like shouting at Norwood for running to much, or McNulty for winning headers, need to find a new spot, I save my whinging for the Internet

That second half was horrible to watch-we were so negative that it was unbelievable. Guiseley were.................just Guiseley but they were still better than Southport.


The sooner Maynard is moved back into his defensive midfielder role the better. Hughes was poor today[extremely negative apart from one excellent early run and cross] and should be played further forward instead of Steven Jennings or Harris


The disallowing of Connor Jennings goal for offside was a staggeringly bad decision.Another urgent visit to the opticians required for an assistant.If it had been correctly allowed,the whole game would probably have been different.


I actually spoke to Jim Harvey as he was about to join the after match interview. I said to him''All you need to say Jim is we won end of''He nodded in agreement and said ''it wasn't good''and winced.

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I wasn't aware they were rudderless either, no manager.

is your name Charles and do you in the kop

Nope, I sit in the Johnny King, and listen to all the clueless commenting from old codgers in beige trousers and corderoid jackets, like shouting at Norwood for running to much, or McNulty for winning headers, need to find a new spot, I save my whinging for the Internet

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Another poor performance against the bottom club. Yes we got three points but our luck will run out. We know teams will come to PP and put ten men behind the ball and we still struggle to break them down. When your only one goal down you always think that you have a chance.I thought Steve Jennings had a bad game again.

It's great to see us at the top of the league despite playing with the brakes on.

All we need to do is to play in a more attacking fashion and I think we would fear no one, and we would walk the league.

Gutted we lost today and aren't three points clear of the rest. Such a poor Bank Holiday weekend for the Club for sure.

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Another poor performance against the bottom club. Yes we got three points but our luck will run out. We know teams will come to PP and put ten men behind the ball and we still struggle to break them down. When your only one goal down you always think that you have a chance.I thought Steve Jennings had a bad game again.

What luck is going to run out? The disallowed goal? The rebound off Norwood that went out, but could have gone anywhere? The fact they didn't have a meaningful attack in 90 minutes?

We controlled the game at a slight canter

I was discussing the weekend games on Friday with my father, who is in his 80's and has endured much of that time as a supporter. We agreed that 4 points would be a good return from the weekend, but equally feared none. In previous years I recall the team going to the table topper and winning easily, then going to a bottom 3 team and going down 4-0, this is the 'pleasure' of following Tranmere.
The facts and the table don't lie...top and unbeaten, will we be there in May, who knows, but for now regardless of performance we are top, and I'll take that. It doesn't matter if its 1-0 or 6-0 its still only 3 points. I don't buy that GB has no tactical awareness, last season we would be loosing games that we should win, this season so far we have not, we are on a record run of away results (all runs come to an end!)
For the moment I am happy with how things are...

Putting ten men behind the ball does not change the fact that they were ten poor men.I am sure that teams did this last year to Cheltenham.You counteract this with pace and width.It seems all the stranger that we did not use Stephenson today.
The next month has some difficult fixtures and by then we will see whether we really are a club that knows how to win or whether we simply had a good start against mainly moderate teams.
I am totally uncertain which we best fit.

Couldnt believe some fans reaction to our backline keeping possession and not attacking in the 89th minute when we were winning 1-0!

Last season we lost at home, far too many times, to poor opposition.

What we saw was a professional performance, not perfect by any means but effective.

The next seven will be a different test than the last seven but happy for now.

Im sure Dagenham would have settled for a scrappy 1-0 win today.



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I like the way he's treating Stephenson, you don't want to throw him on their today after 55 minutes in a scrappy game where no ones taking control, he'll throw him on when we eventually get a cushion in a game, he needs to go in to a game we are bossing and gain confidence.

The good thing about today as poor as we were ,. last season we might have lost the game ,no booing from crowd ,as Jim Harvey said at half time Tranmere should get the ball down and run at sides the long ball is not working .if forest green and a few more of our challengers for top spot watched the game on tv they will think they have little to bother about and they could be right .flatter to deceive comes to mind

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Another poor performance against the bottom club. Yes we got three points but our luck will run out. We know teams will come to PP and put ten men behind the ball and we still struggle to break them down. When your only one goal down you always think that you have a chance.I thought Steve Jennings had a bad game again.

What luck is going to run out? The disallowed goal? The rebound off Norwood that went out, but could have gone anywhere? The fact they didn't have a meaningful attack in 90 minutes?

We controlled the game at a slight canter

We wont play Guiseley every week.

Correct Devonexile -Pace and Width ( especially pace ) . Far too often today ( and other games ) we have been far too pedestrian in our attack . I don't know what it is with our play that either a) we are too slow and play too many touches which allows teams to get back , or b ) we break as far as the 18 yard line then STOP ! No ideas what to do because players are not running with the play . Absolutely Frustrating ! On a positive note , another win , great start to the season and were top of the league .

Unbeaten and top. Just worry that we seem only able to play one fullback at a time and when Lois finally finds a role as holding midfielder he gets shifted out of position. Jeff Hughs is a very good footballer but not as fullback or holding midfielder

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Unbeaten and top. Just worry that we seem only able to play one fullback at a time and when Lois finally finds a role as holding midfielder he gets shifted out of position. Jeff Hughs is a very good footballer but not as fullback or holding midfielder

+1. If we can only play one full back at a time,I'd much rather it be Vaughan.

I'd rather Lee and Liam and tough s@@@ if Gary has to make a tough choice

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I like the way he's treating Stephenson, you don't want to throw him on their today after 55 minutes in a scrappy game where no ones taking control, he'll throw him on when we eventually get a cushion in a game, he needs to go in to a game we are bossing and gain confidence.

He's got a long wait then

Of course some of us will be pleased easier than others and will see the best in every situation. Based on the weekends performances dare I suggest that we are going through our bad patch and we have a return of four points from two games; if that's the case everything is rosy in the garden! Personally I found today's performance uninspiring; each team creates a reputation for itself built on it's style of play and I don't think we'll be too many opposition fans or neutrals "ones to watch". We didn't have anyone with the will or ability to take players on until Mekki appeared; sure it's hit and miss with him and he will never be the favourite of some but he does add another dimension to our game. We had some consistent passing play between the back four and midfield but finished it with aimless balls giving possession away too easily. If we were ever to lose Norwood this would be a concern as his opportunistic goals are consistently our saviour. There's winning and their's winning hearts and minds; ther's still some progress to be made to achieve the full set. By the way, still waiting for McNulty to have a bad game as so looking forward to the resulting posts; don't tempt fate!

Norwood gets injured.... How can I put this, how do we change things to cope

I'm happy with the win, but the offside was rubbish and there should have been a second goal, because that niggling doubt about them getting just one chance and nicking a 1-1 came to mind.

You can have as many shots as you like, but if you're 1-0, then the opposition only need 1 clear cut chance and if it's the only one they get in the game and it goes in, they'll get a point.

Still top which is pleasing, but the fact others are bossing some games and Tranmere are sneaking theirs is a bit concerning in relation to a title challenge and it may lead Tranmere to fade.

Even if Tranmere make the playoffs and go up, to come top would be a stronger springboard for a good league 2 campaign, when the existing personnel and style would have more potency than a side that comes 3rd or 4th.

I'm very happy at such a great start, but there still needs to be a little more potency in front of goal, as 4 points against strugglers with only 2 goals scored in the last 2 games, raises doubts for sure.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Yup

Unbelievable negative comments from some of the posters today, this was exactly the type of game that we would have lost last season. As GB said, last season players would have gone out of position to try and get the 2nd goal leaving us open to the counter attack, 9 defeats at home last season, I'm made up with 4 from 4.
We are playing to get promoted this season, had we conceded today then people would be saying that GB hadn't learnt from last season, clearly he has and full credit to him.
Paul Hirst said in commentary that Guiseley had come to turn the crowd against their own team by their tactics, for some of the posters on here it clearly worked.
Can we give GB and the players some credit, they are what they are, non league, we have to accept that to get out of this league we have to play in a certain way and I think GB has it sussed, remember FGR won their first 8 games last season then it all went horribly wrong, we don't want to go the same way.
Pleased to see 4800 at the game today, consistent support could well see another 1000 on the gate if we are still up there in January

Yup happy to have hundred per cent at home just really don't like playing players out of position but ok as long as it keeps working didn't enjoy today st all

That game showed just how poor some teams in this division are as they were clueless after they went 1-0 down. I had a fairly large bet on Tranmere and had to lay it off at 80 minutes such was our abject efforts a getting a second.

I will take grinding results every week but it would be nice to see a few teams turned over.

I'd like to ask the likes of Cook and Connor if they're finding it harder playing for us compared to their former clubs. I mean when Connor was picking the ball up in midfield for wrexham did opponents get everyone behind the ball like their lives depended on it.

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Unbelievable negative comments from some of the posters today, this was exactly the type of game that we would have lost last season. As GB said, last season players would have gone out of position to try and get the 2nd goal leaving us open to the counter attack, 9 defeats at home last season, I'm made up with 4 from 4.
We are playing to get promoted this season, had we conceded today then people would be saying that GB hadn't learnt from last season, clearly he has and full credit to him.
Paul Hirst said in commentary that Guiseley had come to turn the crowd against their own team by their tactics, for some of the posters on here it clearly worked.
Can we give GB and the players some credit, they are what they are, non league, we have to accept that to get out of this league we have to play in a certain way and I think GB has it sussed, remember FGR won their first 8 games last season then it all went horribly wrong, we don't want to go the same way.
Pleased to see 4800 at the game today, consistent support could well see another 1000 on the gate if we are still up there in January

It's not negative to comment on two poor performances against two of the worst sides on current form in this division. It's actually just being honest.

I am sure that everyone who has been less than 100% positive is still very happy with the situation but it's not a crime to point out problems and things to improve.

We all hope that we can continue our current form and wouldn't mind gaining promotion in any fashion. But I am not going to say everything's rosy when I am concerned about a couple of things that could cause problems down the line. That's not being negative.

I think it's just nice to be winning more than we lose for a a change to be honest. Very much enjoying the run. I do understand people's concerns about when we face stronger teams however.

Glad we won but if you aren't concerned about 2 goals in 180+ minutes against the 2 worst defenses in the league you are living in a world I desperately want to live in! This next stretch of 4 games will be very telling. Promotion rivals won't sit 10 deep, they will be looking for 3 points and a real game...could be what we need to get going, could be trouble. Hoping for the first!

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Glad we won but if you aren't concerned about 2 goals in 180+ minutes against the 2 worst defenses in the league you are living in a world I desperately want to live in! This next stretch of 4 games will be very telling. Promotion rivals won't sit 10 deep, they will be looking for 3 points and a real game...could be what we need to get going, could be trouble. Hoping for the first!

teams coming to out to play could be better for us who knows I bet if we would have won by 4 or 5 yesterday people would still find fault

Let's face it's we've played one "top team" so far and beat them so it's all good!

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Glad we won but if you aren't concerned about 2 goals in 180+ minutes against the 2 worst defenses in the league you are living in a world I desperately want to live in! This next stretch of 4 games will be very telling. Promotion rivals won't sit 10 deep, they will be looking for 3 points and a real game...could be what we need to get going, could be trouble. Hoping for the first!

teams coming to out to play could be better for us who knows I bet if we would have won by 4 or 5 yesterday people would still find fault

Yes, like Bromley last season; but not who you'd expect

Deadly, whilst I agree with you about the many reasons to be positive,there are also grounds for doubt. Yesterday's game gave us a 3 point gain but like the match on Saturday it did not offer enough evidence to suggest that there is a big enough gap between us and the dross of the lower end of this division to feel confident about how we will perform against better teams.
And yes we did beat Eastleigh, but at a time when they had alot of new faces bedding in and sufficient issues to sack their manager.

In points terms we could hardly ask for a better start but it is not uncommon for early season front runners to fall off the pace and it is natural that people should look at the quality of performance for potential evidence that the run is sustainable.

The best teams always face weaker teams setting up to try and gain a frustrating point. The nagging doubt is whether we have the tactical acumen to counter-act such tactics.We have the individual talent but for me it is too soon to tell whether we are really making the best use of that talent.

Top of the league just isn't good enough ?.... Almost like some are just waiting for the chance to get on the teams back..... 👎

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Top of the league just isn't good enough ?.... Almost like some are just waiting for the chance to get on the teams back..... 👎

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Top of the league just isn't good enough ?

. Maybe if it were January then that could be two fingers up to criticism but we are only 7 games in and of our 7 games last we've played 3 teams in the relegation places and a one 5th from bottom an a team who has sacked there manager. I said 9 from 9 on fixture day an that wasn't because I thought we were so good. It's apparent that the weakness' of last season are still evident. I was speaking to a Wrexham fan who reckoned we will win the league if the owners have the minerals to replace Brabin. I'm not sure who you would bring in but we have an Allstars team and we aren't firing an all cylinders, with 3 new strikers and the same lack of goals and indifferent play there's only one constant. We are now hearing the words gelling start to come back to the fore, and being told Southport are back at it and will give teams a hard game from now on, tell it to our southern rivals. Our season starts on game 10, the we will see where we are at.

Season starts at game 1 . Every game is worth 3 point max. Therefore every game has as much importance as the next. Simple mathematics. If we lost the first 10 games, then we would likely have to win the remaining 36 to win the league. Which would be very difficult.

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Season starts at game 1 . Every game is worth 3 point max. Therefore every game has as much importance as the next. Simple mathematics. If we lost the first 10 games, then we would likely have to win the remaining 36 to win the league. Which would be very difficult.

Spot on. The talk in the summer was about a good haul of points on the Board to begin the season and yet even that seemingly isn't enough.

There are people (certainly sitting by me and no doubt elsewhere) that are seemingly waiting for their real chance to have a go when we slip up!

The key thing in all of this analysis is the context.

If we were in the last ten games, the collection of points is king and nothing matters apart from that.

But in other parts of the season, it is far too simple to just look at points gained. In fact, if you listen to managers up and down the league, they will often talk about the performances not matching the results and that they have been a bit unlucky.

Equally, pundits will often analyse games and suggest teams who are picking up wins are slightly fortuitous and have been saved by a good goalkeeper or other teams missing sitters.

Another element of context is the club itself and the quality of its playing staff. So Leicester can surrender possession and win 1-0, and be perfectly happy because they are punching above their weight. But Man City qualify for Europe and win a cup but that is a slight under-achievement.

In this context, we are the Man City of our division and therefore the expectations are much higher. Whether people like it or not, the size of our club and our professionalism makes us one of the top dogs. Therefore challenging for the title is more or less a given, and if we play lesser teams and look unconvincing, questions are going to be asked.

A lot of the critiques I have seen on this message board are totally valid and are all applying context to the situation.

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Season starts at game 1 . Every game is worth 3 point max. Therefore every game has as much importance as the next. Simple mathematics. If we lost the first 10 games, then we would likely have to win the remaining 36 to win the league. Which would be very difficult.

good point tranmere fan. another simple and obvious way of putting it is that if you win all your home games and draw all your away games you will amass a total of 92 pts. 92 pts might just be enough to get that top spot. at the moment after 7 games we are on track. helluva long way to go yet and the likelihood of winning all home games and drawing all away games is pretty much zero but if you can stick as close as u can to that kind of way of thinking we might just do it. it wouldn't matter if we won all of our away games and drew all the home games, as long as we get over that 90 pts, lol.



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I can't wait for the melt down of this forum when we lose a match.

When Norwood scored, the had a line of 6 defenders. You cannot believe how hard it is to break down that sort of line. Anyone who says use pace etc etc hart either played or coached at a competitive level. We won comfortable yesterday, accept it.

we're in a@#$%&league players of that ability and on that level of wage, so why should we expect us to play like 1970s Brazil. 3 points and still top. Move on.

And anyone who has played or coached knows that width and variety of play is what unsettles defences the most. We are not playing with any width and we are pretty one-dimensional in our tactics.

We were only comfortable because Guiseley were complete rubbish and had no aspirations at all. We were not comfortable for at least half of the southport game because they had pressure before and after their goal.

Our current style of football does not help us to dominate play and plays into the hands of teams who come to defend. We are not asking enough questions of the opposition.

This may prove to be no real problem but it might come back to bite us. Only time will tell.

I have said my piece on here and on the negativity blog I am sure we are not as good as we think we are and I predict being out of top 2 the end of the year we have the team but not the tactics ,it's going to be a nail biter .i think forest green will win it with Eastleigh and Lincoln Tranmere ,Dagenham in the playoffs a

So, which 2 players are we dropping for the 2 wingers to come in for?

Brabin could try binning off the full backs, going 3 at the back, 5 in the middle and 2 up and having Steve J in behind Harris and Connor J, playing the holding position, with the brief to cover, along with one or two others, for the back 3 when the opposition counter.

The defense is doing well enough at the moment, that I would not feel massively concerned about 3 in the back and as Ridehalgh can go there and has on occasion before, playing him and Ihiekwie either side of McNulty might work.

Playing 3 at the back if Tranmere were leaking goals wouldn't be smart, but they are not and this could permit the use winger in a 5 man midfield, without dropping any of the current middle and attacking players and if the system looked a bit unsteady, drop the wide players back 10-15 yards, with 1 to 2 subs if necessary and make it a 3-5-2 defensive setup, to just help the back 3 a little

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

There's a rerun of the match on channel 408 now-about an hour gone. I wonder if it will stay 1-0.


The opposition on channel 409 is the British Carp Angling Championship.

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There's a rerun of the match on channel 408 now-about an hour gone. I wonder if it will stay 1-0.

The opposition on channel 409 is the British Carp Angling Championship.

Well that does it for me then Hoots; need some tips on the best rigs to catch more fish!

I think I will watch the carp catching 😬

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I can't wait for the melt down of this forum when we lose a match.
When Norwood scored, the had a line of 6 defenders. You cannot believe how hard it is to break down that sort of line. Anyone who says use pace etc etc hart either played or coached at a competitive level. We won comfortable yesterday, accept it.

Depends on the manner of the defeat
Storming performance but beaten by a better side or Welling last season

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Brabin could try binning off the full backs, going 3 at the back, 5 in the middle and 2 up and having Steve J in behind Harris and Connor J, playing the holding position, with the brief to cover, along with one or two others, for the back 3 when the opposition counter.
The defense is doing well enough at the moment, that I would not feel massively concerned about 3 in the back and as Ridehalgh can go there and has on occasion before, playing him and Ihiekwie either side of McNulty might work.

Playing 3 at the back if Tranmere were leaking goals wouldn't be smart, but they are not and this could permit the use winger in a 5 man midfield, without dropping any of the current middle and attacking players and if the system looked a bit unsteady, drop the wide players back 10-15 yards, with 1 to 2 subs if necessary and make it a 3-5-2 defensive setup, to just help the back 3 a little

I wouldn't favour changing team or tactics while we're on a winning run, but I think it's an interesting idea. Pre-season, I floated the idea of McNulty as sweeper. The idea above could work as, in terms of reading the game, McNulty is way above this level.

Ultimatley it was a boring match. Other comments aside which all have their merits both positive and "negative" what I think is agreed is that we have a lack of goals, some of us are concerned some of us are not, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in the reasons for each. The manager has touched on it and so have the players. Is it an issue, who knows we will find out in May. We do all seem to agree the reason for the "goal drout" is the 10 players behind the ball issue, some say we have done well against this others not, again no one is right no one is wrong convincing issues either side of the argument. We all know it's difficult to break sides down who play that way. With that in mind though a real worry for me is another subject that has been touched on, in another thread the SET PEICES. When we can all accept as above chances difficult to make against 10 defenders sketch, why when we get free kicks and corners which are a golden opportunity to cause mayhem in the box with good delivery are we phaffing about with 10 players doing step overs and knocking stuff short. If I was the manager I would be appapletic with it, however it doesn't seem to register with any of them. With our style of play and oppositions style of defence they are going to be the only real chance to get a quality ball into the danger zone unopposed, we've got good height and some good aerial threat, the mangager had to change our approach to them sooner than later and if he doesn't well it's going to cost us. We had 6 or 7 free kicks alone yesterday and not one ball into the danger zone.

I would say leave the defence as it is. We got hit on the counter to many times last season. We do seem to be playing more narrow and our goals against suggests it has worked

[quote kennyspint][quote mini_andy]I can't wait for the melt down of this forum when we lose a match.

When Norwood scored, the had a line of 6 defenders. You cannot believe how hard it is to break down that sort of line. Anyone who says use pace etc etc hart either played or coached at a competitive level. We won comfortable yesterday, accept it.[/quote]

Quite a number of top class internationally acclaimed coaches argue that one of the ways to counter-act a defensive team is to use width and pace. But then perhaps that experience is irrelevant at National League level. I am still waiting to find anywhere the suggestion that slow build up followed by a long ball has yet been advocated by top coaches.

As long as we go up I personally don't care how ugly the football is. Although to be fair, most of our play is actually been decent this season. Looking forward to more of "Gary give us a wave"

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Ultimatley it was a boring match. Other comments aside which all have their merits both positive and "negative" what I think is agreed is that we have a lack of goals, some of us are concerned some of us are not, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in the reasons for each. The manager has touched on it and so have the players. Is it an issue, who knows we will find out in May. We do all seem to agree the reason for the "goal drout" is the 10 players behind the ball issue, some say we have done well against this others not, again no one is right no one is wrong convincing issues either side of the argument. We all know it's difficult to break sides down who play that way. With that in mind though a real worry for me is another subject that has been touched on, in another thread the SET PEICES. When we can all accept as above chances difficult to make against 10 defenders sketch, why when we get free kicks and corners which are a golden opportunity to cause mayhem in the box with good delivery are we phaffing about with 10 players doing step overs and knocking stuff short. If I was the manager I would be appapletic with it, however it doesn't seem to register with any of them. With our style of play and oppositions style of defence they are going to be the only real chance to get a quality ball into the danger zone unopposed, we've got good height and some good aerial threat, the mangager had to change our approach to them sooner than later and if he doesn't well it's going to cost us. We had 6 or 7 free kicks alone yesterday and not one ball into the danger zone.

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Ultimatley it was a boring match. Other comments aside which all have their merits both positive and "negative" what I think is agreed is that we have a lack of goals, some of us are concerned some of us are not, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in the reasons for each. The manager has touched on it and so have the players. Is it an issue, who knows we will find out in May. We do all seem to agree the reason for the "goal drout" is the 10 players behind the ball issue, some say we have done well against this others not, again no one is right no one is wrong convincing issues either side of the argument. We all know it's difficult to break sides down who play that way. With that in mind though a real worry for me is another subject that has been touched on, in another thread the SET PEICES. When we can all accept as above chances difficult to make against 10 defenders sketch, why when we get free kicks and corners which are a golden opportunity to cause mayhem in the box with good delivery are we phaffing about with 10 players doing step overs and knocking stuff short. If I was the manager I would be appapletic with it, however it doesn't seem to register with any of them. With our style of play and oppositions style of defence they are going to be the only real chance to get a quality ball into the danger zone unopposed, we've got good height and some good aerial threat, the mangager had to change our approach to them sooner than later and if he doesn't well it's going to cost us. We had 6 or 7 free kicks alone yesterday and not one ball into the danger zone.

Agree

Me too.

As has been stated already, we have to be happy with three points, yet that didn't prevent us leaving after the match feeling a little disappointed. We seemed short of ideas in our approach work, which seemed rather ponderous.The goal created by Steve McNulty's through ball was the way to go; it was direct and enabled Norwood to break and score with aplomb. Similar direct play down the wings would have led to more scoring chances. Constant passing from side to side slows down momentum and generally frustrates the crowd, although I thought the Rovers fans were very patient and supportive all through.

Apparently Harvey said at half time that Tranmere are using the long ball too much.

The set piece situation was a problem last year too.

We are winning plenty of free kicks and corners, but not using them to any advantage.

If we could maximise these set pieces we can notch up a few more convincing victories instead of nicking games by one goal.

As stated above, sides will come here and defend all day just to get a point. We need to capitalise on these corners and free kicks and look upon them as a goal scoring opportunity.

Another win, but not a great game, but Guisely are desperate to notch up some points and it was always going to be a tough game.

With the quality we've brought in, I think we expected us to score a bag full against Southport and Guisely, but nothing is straight forward in this league.

We've seen teams win 4-0 and then get beat the next game.

I'm sure that if we work on set plays then eventually well notch up a few decent wins, we certainly have enough quality forwards, they just need to convert more chances.

Personally I would like to see Maynard back in midfield not at right back. I would drop Harris right now as he wins a lot of balls but his distribution is woeful. Would probably drop Steve jenning too as he just doesn't seem to have the pace these days and isn't giving us much from his set plays.
CJ I have been impressed with but he looked tired in last couple of games so maybe a rest?
Agree a win is a win and very happy with where we are.

One worry for me on Monday was they seemed to have more energy or at least seemed to be able to double team our players. Sharper more accurate passing would help open up defences but to often our moves break down with some poor passing rather than the opposition breaking up the moves

Had a look at some other forums earlier, including the shots site. The all saying we looked poor on tv and nothing to worry about. Did anyone see it and did we look that bad, as although it wasn't the best game I thought we made some good chances, but it's different live to on the box.

It just looked to me like they were taking it easy because Guiseley offered no attack. Besides , we haven't often won when on live TV....

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Personally I would like to see Maynard back in midfield not at right back. I would drop Harris right now as he wins a lot of balls but his distribution is woeful. Would probably drop Steve jenning too as he just doesn't seem to have the pace these days and isn't giving us much from his set plays.
CJ I have been impressed with but he looked tired in last couple of games so maybe a rest?
Agree a win is a win and very happy with where we are.

So what you're saying is, if I'm right, is that a unbeaten side should have it's main 3 midfielders all binned off, temporarily at least, in favour of other players.

I have to say that if that is the point, it probably won't sit well with many on here, myself included.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

i think we have bin poor the last 3 games, but if your playing poor and still winning is said to be a sign of a good team, i would rather we were playing poor than being complacent.

as said in other comments in the last 3 matches we have come up against 3 teams that just wanted a point, maidstone came at us a little bit but only after 30min, southport it took 60min for them to come at us and on monday well am still waiting for them to come at us. 1-0 doesnt look great, but when you take into account it was the second game in 48hrs, we had a goal wrongfully disallowed and 11 men behind the ball, 1-0 is a god dahm good result, no one says man city are poor when they are only winning stoke/WBA 1-0 on a cold tuesday night, so i dont think its any different for us when a team wants a point, it just wants to defend 1-0 is a respectable result, this is why our away form is better, home fans dont allow you to put 11 men behind the ball, so the play is a bit more open which suits our game, yes sometimes we will get punished by having an open game but everyone feels its a better performance.

no one wants to watch football were the other team refuses to leave there half but, if passing it sideways and knocking the ball over the top is going to create space for just one goal that all you need.

However when was the last time since their most recent entrance into the top flight, have Stoke and West Brom been stone dead last after 5-6 games? They're too good for that, to my recollection.

These days Stoke are a legit top 10 side and couldn't be seen as punching above their weight, so they could be a bogey team to the fabulously wealthy ones, like a Moyes Everton, Allardyce Bolton, Hughes Blackburn, Keegan Newcastle and a Wimbledon of the 90's were.

The result was decent don't get me wrong and the offside was rubbish. You can forgive officials for not spotting someone is an inch onside or a centimetre and gives it offside, but that offside was total pish.

I've no problem with people wanting a win less team to lose by more than 1 goal, if a rival trounced someone else by a 4 goal margin.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.