Speculating over what’s needed for success


Tranmere Crest
By David Sindall
July 22 2024

The distractions of the Euros have gone and the race to match fitness has started. No ball has been kicked in competition and I wondered about, as I always do, what form is required to deliver success in League Two. There is a general consensus that last season we travelled badly. We lost more away games than any club in the Division, even more than the two relegated teams. It got me wondering what level of loss can you suffer and still go up.

This isn't entirely scientific, but I've looked back over the last 4 seasons. Obviously teams set out to win as many games as possible, that's the intention but you don't have to win all your games to be a success. Looking at teams that make the play-offs the number of home defeats each team suffered were 20/21 7 (Tranmere); 21/22 7 (Swindon) ; 22/23 8 (Salford) and 23/24 9 (Crawley). Put differently, if you get beat in the league at home more than 7 times, you're unlikely to make a play off berth. The mathematicians amongst you will have worked out that the average is 8 home defeats amongst those numbers, but I'd argue you would be cutting it fine.

On away trips you would expect the data to be a bit more generous, it isn't really. Over the same period teams that made the play offs lost 9 (Morecambe) 20/21; 9 (Mansfield) 21/22; 8 (Stockport) 22/23 and 10 (Doncaster) 23/24. The average there comes out at 9 away defeats, but Doncaster last season were a bit of an outlier, I reckon avoiding defeat in 8 away games is the absolute minimum to make the playoffs.

And yet, there is a quirk. I also looked at automatic promotion. For home games the number of defeats reads 7 (Bolton) 20/21; 5 (Bristol Rovers) 21/22; 5 (Northampton) 22/23 and 3 (all to 3) 23/24. Maybe last season was exceptional on the home form front, but it looks like losing more than 5 home games limits your likelihood of auto promotion. If you want automatic promotion you also have to travel well, albeit not as well as I imagined. Over the same period you could get beaten in 8 (Bolton) 20/21; 7 (Bristol Rovers) 21/22; 5 (Orient and Stevenage) 22/23 and 7 (Wrexham) 23/24. 

Now, last season we lost 8 games at home. Arguably the improvement to make the play offs is easy, and even getting it down to 5 home defeats isn't impossible if we were pushing for automatic promotion. Our away form irequires a sea change though. Going from getting beat on our travels in 8 games or less is a huge challenge. I reckon that's where we need our most improvements. We need to be less nervous when we leave Prenton Park and much meaner when we are at home. Plus, there are no such things as meaningless defeats. The mantra 'the season isn't decided in August' etc ignores the impact of cumulative defeats. Every point is vital, every game is important. 

 

Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Total Tranmere (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 09:55

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Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 16:48

Key players not picking up lengthy injuries eg. Luke Norris.

Certain players needing to buck up their ideas eg. Kristian Dennis.

Finding a way to be more successful than last season without a game changer eg. Rob Apter.

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Pitou (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 17:26

confidence and momentum will always be the key in this league

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 17:54

Momentum is second to consistency, despite Doncaster's remarkable surge last season. Our away form has been nowhere near consistent. The analysis for this article is interesting. I wonder how many away wins are needed? Under Mellon, we so often seemed set up for a draw but six or seven wins must make a big difference.
Hopefully, if there is a stronger starting eleven next season we will be more ambitious in the season ahead

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: the kav (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 18:49

Supporters getting behind the team

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 19:13

What do others think was behind Crawley's success last season?..To me, they were sharp, on the ball, alert and ready to pounce.

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2024 19:23

Having a great goalscorer who bags tons of goals will always be a big help, unless you are Notts County that is...Langstaff scored loads last season and was the top scorer in L2, but they had the worst defence in the division and at times their defending was beyond comical, they looked well dodgy right across their whole back four... A lot of pressure on Notts this season, their manager from Wealdstone hasn't started off well, there will be a lot of eyes on him, Langstaff has departed and they have a lot of sorting out to do with their defence.



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Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: jal jal (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2024 19:42

Make the defence more leak proof (Tighter)
Get the midfield & Forwards to chase down the opposing team when they get the ball & not stand & watch like England did.
Make the whole team play the game faster
Don't play out from the back, start the game in the oppositions half.
And let the team know by cheering & singing & letting the team know that the fans are 100% behind the team



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Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2024 20:37

Going off at a tangent a tad here but staying on the topic of what's needed for success,,,i watched the tribute to Ray Reardon on BBC 1 last night, was intersesting to listen to Ray's comments about Alex Higgins when they met in the 1982 World Championship final, which Higgins won. Ray claiming that in the penultimate session of that final that he had Higgins on the ropes and that he was looking a beaten man, but after the final interval and going into the final session, Higgins was a changed man and Reardon was convinced that Higgins had taken something during the interval. Reardon said that Higgins had had a drugs test but it got mislaid, but its interesting to note that drugs testing in snooker didn't start till 1985. Maybe Ray's memory was going a bit, but we all know that Higgins didn't just consume alcohol to become successful, he was taking other stuff no doubt.

btw..did anyone see that programme on BBC 2 last night, The Apartheid Killer? worth a watch.



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Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Zint (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2024 13:38

Maybe this will make people less or more pessimistic?

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Bored rover (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2024 10:53

Simple: Spend loads of money so you have better players than the other teams or spend some money so you have some better players than other teams. Cant skimp on a Gk, CD x2 CDM and striker. Someone needs to keep the ball out the net at one end and then someone needs to give the ball to someone at the other who can put it in the net. Have self belief and be expressive on the pitch, work hard. I don't think our crowd help we are quick to express a moan and a for god sake. Puts players on edge they have to be able to make a mistake and not get pilloried otherwise they wont play freely and will look for the simple way out

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2024 11:09

Quote:
Bored rover
Simple: Spend loads of money so you have better players than the other teams or spend some money so you have some better players than other teams. Cant skimp on a Gk, CD x2 CDM and striker. Someone needs to keep the ball out the net at one end and then someone needs to give the ball to someone at the other who can put it in the net. Have self belief and be expressive on the pitch, work hard. I don't think our crowd help we are quick to express a moan and a for god sake. Puts players on edge they have to be able to make a mistake and not get pilloried otherwise they wont play freely and will look for the simple way out

It’s my experience that the crowd has been subdued rather than the moaning you talk about (always odd individuals who’re never happy). I actually think there’s been an air of acceptance and apathy from many attending. Therefore, I’m not buying into this fan blaming, which is just a distraction from the real issues. The Kop has even tried to gee up the players when the team has been struggling; admittedly short-lived but that’s what happens when you don’t get a response from the players.
The reality is, even with a raucous crowd, we’d be still in the same position as we are because we struggle to score; this will put more pressure on the team or individuals than any moans and groans. Memo should go out to the Kop to practise their sucking skills to suck the damn ball into the net…..fans fault!

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2024 14:38

interesting reading all those comments . Most describe what we do not have. Success is relative. For me midtable is success, but our absence of punch and pace make that look very ambitious

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Bored rover (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2024 16:20

Quote:
Phil65
Quote:
Bored rover
Simple: Spend loads of money so you have better players than the other teams or spend some money so you have some better players than other teams. Cant skimp on a Gk, CD x2 CDM and striker. Someone needs to keep the ball out the net at one end and then someone needs to give the ball to someone at the other who can put it in the net. Have self belief and be expressive on the pitch, work hard. I don't think our crowd help we are quick to express a moan and a for god sake. Puts players on edge they have to be able to make a mistake and not get pilloried otherwise they wont play freely and will look for the simple way out

It’s my experience that the crowd has been subdued rather than the moaning you talk about (always odd individuals who’re never happy). I actually think there’s been an air of acceptance and apathy from many attending. Therefore, I’m not buying into this fan blaming, which is just a distraction from the real issues. The Kop has even tried to gee up the players when the team has been struggling; admittedly short-lived but that’s what happens when you don’t get a response from the players.
The reality is, even with a raucous crowd, we’d be still in the same position as we are because we struggle to score; this will put more pressure on the team or individuals than any moans and groans. Memo should go out to the Kop to practise their sucking skills to suck the damn ball into the net…..fans fault!

They were bood off at half time last week

Re: Speculating over what’s needed for success
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2024 17:12

Quote:
Bored rover
Quote:
Phil65
Quote:
Bored rover
Simple: Spend loads of money so you have better players than the other teams or spend some money so you have some better players than other teams. Cant skimp on a Gk, CD x2 CDM and striker. Someone needs to keep the ball out the net at one end and then someone needs to give the ball to someone at the other who can put it in the net. Have self belief and be expressive on the pitch, work hard. I don't think our crowd help we are quick to express a moan and a for god sake. Puts players on edge they have to be able to make a mistake and not get pilloried otherwise they wont play freely and will look for the simple way out

It’s my experience that the crowd has been subdued rather than the moaning you talk about (always odd individuals who’re never happy). I actually think there’s been an air of acceptance and apathy from many attending. Therefore, I’m not buying into this fan blaming, which is just a distraction from the real issues. The Kop has even tried to gee up the players when the team has been struggling; admittedly short-lived but that’s what happens when you don’t get a response from the players.
The reality is, even with a raucous crowd, we’d be still in the same position as we are because we struggle to score; this will put more pressure on the team or individuals than any moans and groans. Memo should go out to the Kop to practise their sucking skills to suck the damn ball into the net…..fans fault!

They were bood off at half time last week

If you’re suggesting our teenage “ultras”, and possibly the odd “grown up” in the Kop booing them off at half-time impacted on their psyche, I’m suggesting their half-time chocolate hob-nob, nice warm cocoa and Nigel’s positivity pep talk, would have put any hurt feelings to bed. Whilst the games have been on, there’s been very little audible slating, definitely nothing to excuse any outcomes on the pitch.

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