Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
By Deadly Submarine
September 1 2016
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After a relatively successful bank holiday weekend for Rovers with four points picked up from a possible six, it's back on the road for Rovers this weekend as they travel to Aldershot on Saturday afternoon. Rovers will be looking to lengthen their unbeaten start to the season so far after six wins and a draw from their first seven games amking them unbeaten right through the month of August.
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Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
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Date: 01/09/2016 21:26
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 11:10
Tough game. I.m going for 0-1
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: martyd12 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 11:59
I am really not sure what to make of tomorrow as our unbeaten run must come to an end some time! I fear we may lose 2-0 so will settle for a point at one apiece!!
It is a long way to go and I don't suppose we will get back on the coach much before 11pm!!
It is a long way to go and I don't suppose we will get back on the coach much before 11pm!!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: ming05 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 12:05
3-2 after going 3-0 down in first 30 minutes
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: iagoapcen (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 13:15
they are unbeaten at home, and haven't let in a single goal
first real test for this team this season
i'll say 1-3 to trfc
first real test for this team this season
i'll say 1-3 to trfc
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Fiftyyearsarover (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 15:47
We have been poor last 2games sad but a defeat 1-0or 2-1
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TranmereFan (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 15:50
Think we're gonna have a decent game, but I'm thinking 1-1 or a close 2-1 to us. SWA
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hampshire White (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 16:21
Will take a lot of flak at work if we lose, last years 0-0 was not a classic. Their home form is good, I'll take a tight 0-0 again.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 16:28
Well Gary has just bagged himself Manager of the Month so on that basis it has to be a defeat surely?!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 17:53
2-0 Aldershot
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: ste25yearsafan (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 18:20
Expect a defeat, would settle for a draw right now
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 19:09
Difficult match, low scoring, dour game. Would be happy with the draw and predict a 1-1 scoreline. Be delighted if we could sneak a win of any description.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Rizla (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 19:18
Fiesty match with a 1-2 win for the Rovers with Hughes on the score sheet.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 20:03
Were due a good performance, the last two fixtures have been bit drab and we still picked up 4 points from the 6 on offer.
Hopefully we can continue our excellent away run and raise or game?
We are well over due a high scoring result and there is no reason why that cant come tomorrow?
Hopefully we can continue our excellent away run and raise or game?
We are well over due a high scoring result and there is no reason why that cant come tomorrow?
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 20:22
Alder shots home form is good but N.Ferriby and Maidstone are not the most demanding sides and even Wrexham have yet to really click.
It isn't an easy game but surely they will be looking at this as by far their hardest fixture yet.A draw would probably be accepted by both sides but equally I can see no reason why we cannot get 3 points.
This and the next 3 fixtures should give a clearer indication of whether we will be compelling candidates for automatic promotion
It isn't an easy game but surely they will be looking at this as by far their hardest fixture yet.A draw would probably be accepted by both sides but equally I can see no reason why we cannot get 3 points.
This and the next 3 fixtures should give a clearer indication of whether we will be compelling candidates for automatic promotion
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Cybertron (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 21:47
I'd take a draw now if was offered. Unfortunately I can't make the game this season. From memory last season's game was a tough game which ended 0-0 and was not high on quality with few chances (think they had ball in our net but offside).
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Armaghwhite (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 21:57
0-1 Cook scoring.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Bolton Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 22:14
Settle for a draw...
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2016 23:11
I think a win would be good to exorcise the last two games. 4 points from 2 was a good return, but the performances didn't hit any real highs, that the quality at Brabins disposal is almost certainly capable of.
However a point should be a minimum against such a team, but they are a test of promotion credentials. After 7 games they are not 5th by getting one or two results that could mislead, they are genuine promotion contenders it must be noted at this stage, as the runners and riders are usually sorted out after 5-6 games and for Tranmere to be top after 46 games, they have to beat a few such teams, because beating only teams outside of the top 5 will not be enough unless it was pretty much 30+ wins and a few draws, which is a bit unlikely and when one or two struggling teams nick a point or 3, you need a big hitter or 3 in the bag to balance that out.
A point wouldn't be a heinous crime, but a win would obviously be great. 1-0 will do and a clean sheet against them would certainly highlight the credentials of Davies and the defense, as players capable of anchoring a promotion push.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
However a point should be a minimum against such a team, but they are a test of promotion credentials. After 7 games they are not 5th by getting one or two results that could mislead, they are genuine promotion contenders it must be noted at this stage, as the runners and riders are usually sorted out after 5-6 games and for Tranmere to be top after 46 games, they have to beat a few such teams, because beating only teams outside of the top 5 will not be enough unless it was pretty much 30+ wins and a few draws, which is a bit unlikely and when one or two struggling teams nick a point or 3, you need a big hitter or 3 in the bag to balance that out.
A point wouldn't be a heinous crime, but a win would obviously be great. 1-0 will do and a clean sheet against them would certainly highlight the credentials of Davies and the defense, as players capable of anchoring a promotion push.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: SeeJayKay (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 00:50
I really don't see why we are bigging them up. They've played no one in the top 10 (Wrexham weren't top 10 when they played were they?), been beaten by Braintree and only narrowly beat Dover. They've also played two relegation candidates so what is there to fear. I predict a continuation of the SWAs victorious away form.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 00:56
Ok they've played nobody in the top 10 but after only 7 games I'd say that was irrelevant. They've made a good solid start. Like us they have so far not joined the goal frenzy that this league seems to be. Tight one for me.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: the kav (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 09:47
Aldershot supporters fancy a home win today, they think they have too much pace upfront for our defence.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 10:17
Hope for a win but settle for a draw. This is the type of game that Brabin's tactics are designed to get results out of. Pace up front may worry us, but to use it they've got to be able to get in behind us or get through our midfield and defensive lines. Not sure they will be able to do that. If they press forward too much it will give us plenty of opportunities to counter.
Our biggest test of the season to date though. It will probably tight.
Our biggest test of the season to date though. It will probably tight.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: wpato7 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 11:07
I'm not overly worried about the pace element at CB I think Ihiekwe compliments McNulty well there. I'd be more worried about defending out wide with Maynard as a makeshift RB and Ridehalgh more effective going forward. I'm going for 1-1.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 11:21
Never thought that Fenlon was particularly fast in his brief period with us and wowhere near as quick as Norwood.
If we do go a goal down then I hope that we use Stephenson. A bit of additional space wide could improve our game
If we do go a goal down then I hope that we use Stephenson. A bit of additional space wide could improve our game
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Kenny_Crons (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 11:52
We are tranmere rovers, we are top of the league, we are unbeaten and we have conceded only 3 goals all season.
We are going for a win.
We are going for a win.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 13:14
We can't get beat. 4 points from 9 including the 2 bottom clubs, unthinkable.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: BELMONT (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 13:37
Quote:aktrfc
We can't get beat. 4 points from 9 including the 2 bottom clubs, unthinkable.
If that happens the rot set in,not having it 0-0 would do but a stuffy 1-0 win for us would b the icing on the cake.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 15:02
ive got live commentary on radio Merseyside.. cmon rovers!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 15:06
not the start we wanted
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 15:25
Sound like we are all over the place
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: BELMONT (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 15:31
Get Maynard in midfield.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 15:38
yes get in, andy cook
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:39
oh sh*t
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:44
Same old, same old. yes we've won 6 but we have not progressed from last season one bit
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:44
Never change a winning team. I Always say it and stick by it now.
No coincidence that today happened after the change in starting XI for me.
No coincidence that today happened after the change in starting XI for me.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: goosed (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:46
got to agree why change a winning team ?? answers on a postcard please
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TranmereFan (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:46
That's what happens when you drop Harris for Mekki ! didnt need to change it.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:47
Quote:TranmereFan
That's what happens when you drop Harris for Mekki ! didnt need to change it.
Completely agree although was Mekki even out there?!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: mini_andy (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:51
It was always going to happen, takes a bit of the pressure off. Today was always going to be hard, just look at the predictions.
No need to go into melt down.
Although you have to ask why a defensive midfielder was replaced for a winger?
We pick ourselves up again and move on as a team.
No need to go into melt down.
Although you have to ask why a defensive midfielder was replaced for a winger?
We pick ourselves up again and move on as a team.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:51
Never change a winning side unless it is a struggling winning side.The defeat is no surprise after the last couple of games.Is this just a brief dip or have early results been the typical early season freak? September could be a defining month for us
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:56
Quote:not an early season freak for me, simply the fact we've had the rub of the green with a couple of late winners and mostly played sides that have no intention of attacking us. No suprise for me this. I personally think we are in trouble and all the signs have been there from the games I have watched at PP.DevonExile
Never change a winning side unless it is a struggling winning side.The defeat is no surprise after the last couple of games.Is this just a brief dip or have early results been the typical early season freak? September could be a defining month for us
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:58
Quote:Deadly Submarine
Never change a winning team. I Always say it and stick by it now.
No coincidence that today happened after the change in starting XI for me.
To a team that could only get a draw at southport. That told us everything we needed to know, but then again I am stupid because I beleave we need to score more goals are according to you.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:58
we need to bounce back next week vs Lincoln.. about to watch torquay v Lincoln soon.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: bumhobo33 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 16:59
The next 3 games will tell a lot about our actual chances this year. Easy to see this one coming unfortunately...need to respond as a team. And for f--ks sake can we score some damn goals!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: LongTimeRover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:00
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:02
Haha one defeat and the meltdown begins! We played well today st times but just wasn't to be!
To one end the defeat takes off the pressure of the winning run and we can now go again. It should also give our fans who gain thought we might walk it that perhaps we won't!
To one end the defeat takes off the pressure of the winning run and we can now go again. It should also give our fans who gain thought we might walk it that perhaps we won't!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:04
I don't understand the logic of switching to 2 wingers away from home against a strong side. To me this was a game tailor made for the way we have been setting up.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:05
Why shouldn't we walk the league? Is that not a positive.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:05
Quote:Doogie'sGhost
I don't understand the logic of switching to 2 wingers away from home against a strong side. To me this was a game tailor made for the way we have been setting up.
Don't worry Doogie at least certain groups of fans will have been pleased we went with width at least. Look where that got us though!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:07
Quote:aktrfc
Why shouldn't we walk the league? Is that not a positive.
I didn't say we shouldn't I'm saying it's reality that we won't necessarily do so and maybe now people
Will realise it's going to be a battle not a walkover which I've been saying for weeks!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:08
Wasn't there, but Wirral fm said Mekki was playing down the middle? Not a big fan of him, but the kids love him
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: LifesFullOfUpsAndDowns (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:10
Quote:oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....LongTimeRover
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:10
Quote:aktrfc
Wasn't there, but Wirral fm said Mekki was playing down the middle? Not a big fan of him, but the kids love him
A bit of both I think to be honest.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:16
Quote:853OKGQuote:oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....LongTimeRover
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Careful, that might be construed as bashing the negative posters. Can't have that!! I've been on this forum since its early days. It has always been far more busy when we lose than when we win.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Doogie'sGhost (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:18
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:Doogie'sGhost
I don't understand the logic of switching to 2 wingers away from home against a strong side. To me this was a game tailor made for the way we have been setting up.
Don't worry Doogie at least certain groups of fans will have been pleased we went with width at least. Look where that got us though!
Exactly where I suspected it would Sub.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:19
At last a reality check. I actually think this was needed to put things in to some perspective and that we are not invincible. Our recent performances have not been exceptional and a result like this was always possible against a side who wanted to win and wanted to win well; no sitting back after the second goal and no parking the bus. Some lessons to be learnt as some have already alluded to. Aldershot in third place and deservedly so; three goals, what's that like? Not the end of the world but we must regroup quickly as Lincoln next week is another tough game. With Forest Green flying at the moment I think we need another good run of wins to keep it competitive for top spot. On a humane level, good to see Scott Rendell playing again(and scoring, damn it!) after his season ending injury against us last season when playing for Woking.
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:22
Changed too much for this one and unsettled the team against half decent opposition.
Referee didn't help the situation and we've been pretty poor the last few games ( Southport & Guisely ) .
We've been lucky up until today, but we got found out big time!
Time to reflect on the last 3 performances and sort things out while we're still in a strong position.
We were always there to be shot at, but Aldershot have done to us what we should have done to Southport and Guiseley.
Let's hope the players are hurting and they give the 300+ supporters who made the long journey something to cheer about in the next match?
Bad result, but not a disaster yet!
Referee didn't help the situation and we've been pretty poor the last few games ( Southport & Guisely ) .
We've been lucky up until today, but we got found out big time!
Time to reflect on the last 3 performances and sort things out while we're still in a strong position.
We were always there to be shot at, but Aldershot have done to us what we should have done to Southport and Guiseley.
Let's hope the players are hurting and they give the 300+ supporters who made the long journey something to cheer about in the next match?
Bad result, but not a disaster yet!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:25
We haven't been good the last 3 games, We have had a few hairy moments in games we won too. We have gotthe best set of players in the division but it means nothing if they aren't lead properly or properly used. This is the test of the coachingbstaff now and the manger, 3 poor showings if we go on another drop of form like last season off the back of this defeat then things have to change at the top, if its simply a defeat and we can move on great.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:36
Nothing wrong with a negative post, don't make you less a fan, nor does heaping praise on the team make you more a fan. If my kid does bad at exams I say sort it out and do better. The wife say well done you did your best. That's the difference, doesn't mean one loves the kid more.
Think it's going to be a struggle this year unless we can start hitting the back of the net a bit more and I thinks today just shows we are not set up to score big and rely on the defence to win us games.
Just for mini Andy i must be stupid and have a 50% chance of looking stupid as well. Got it copied so only have to paste now. Lol
Think it's going to be a struggle this year unless we can start hitting the back of the net a bit more and I thinks today just shows we are not set up to score big and rely on the defence to win us games.
Just for mini Andy i must be stupid and have a 50% chance of looking stupid as well. Got it copied so only have to paste now. Lol
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:46
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:55
Some good points moon, know it's a long season, but think the next couple of weeks could be the deciders.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 17:58
Quote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Pretty spot on
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: bumhobo33 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:12
At least the club got their mileage out of #topoftheleague...do we have one queued up for #playoffpush?
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:12
Quote:swap GTF for Connor and Higdon for Cook and that's about all your getting progression wise.HiggosbootsQuote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Pretty spot on
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:26
Quote:2 the moonQuote:swap GTF for Connor and Higdon for Cook and that's about all your getting progression wise.HiggosbootsQuote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
Pretty spot on
Have to agree, it's a fair summation of the side, although they do offer significantly more than the other two, if Cook, Nors or Connor aren't at the races we offer very little, and as we've seen it's easy to stiffle the front three. Even if you say to them get it wide or run it, it's a bit like saying running around the equator or through a wall, they get cut down time and time again. We need more strength in the middle of the park. I'd like to have seen us sign a couple of big Rugby League types like Eastleigh and Forrest Green have, that would round things off nicely.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: iagoapcen (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:28
it had to happen one day
no big deal
could freshen things up though
they have become slightly stale going forward
no big deal
could freshen things up though
they have become slightly stale going forward
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:30
I'll have a word with Mark, Higgo and moon as directors of football
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TRFCJGregz (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:40
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:41
Quote:aktrfc
I'll have a word with Mark, Higgo and moon as directors of football
First team coach or nothing thanks!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:44
Consider it done 😀
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Jack of all Trades (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:50
For me the big test will be how the team reacts next week at home to Lincoln.
Sometimes you just have to take a reality check, after all one defeat in 16 away games (W9 D6 L1) is extremely good in anyone's book !!!
Another win on Saturday and today's result is just a blip but, if performances continue to fall short of expectations, we will need to strengthen the squad to maintain competition for places and hopefully regain the momentum.
Aldershot have won all their home games evidently convincingly (didn't go today so can't comment)
I am still pretty impressed by our start though.
Sometimes you just have to take a reality check, after all one defeat in 16 away games (W9 D6 L1) is extremely good in anyone's book !!!
Another win on Saturday and today's result is just a blip but, if performances continue to fall short of expectations, we will need to strengthen the squad to maintain competition for places and hopefully regain the momentum.
Aldershot have won all their home games evidently convincingly (didn't go today so can't comment)
I am still pretty impressed by our start though.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 18:53
Quote:TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
Some fair points, but if you look at them together they all happen pretty regularly and come back to one thing, failure to see and learn from errors, it the rose tinted glasses or ivory tinted in Rovers case. When we perform poorly the post match reaction is the same, we gave away bad goals, were disappointed, were better than that I've told the players. Maybe identify why we give away bad goals in the same manner time and again, why we miss chances time and again. Failure to learn from experience. It's like the player who try's really hard but just can't see the pass or read the danger, managers are the same they can either see it or they can't. A big change for me would be to bring in Sutton at the back and drop out Ihwekie.
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 19:24
Quote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
It's a good thing in the sense that it stops the quotes of "we're top of the league", "we're unbeaten" which deflects the focus away from some of the performances and any progress that has been made. I actually agree with your observations about lack of goals, being laboured and running out of ideas. Still too early to make judgements about our final position in the league as we have a tough road ahead but certainly room for improvement. On another point, honest appraisals being called a meltdown seems a bit dramatic as posters have been expressing concerns consistently, even when winning, if you agree with them or not.
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 19:42
Quote:TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
Can't complain about that, @#$%&, that might not be a negative post and make me stupid and have a 50% chance of looking stupid. Just for you mini Andy if you missed the last.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 19:44
Didn't use a bad word above, don't know why it did that
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: LongTimeRover (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 20:10
Quote:I've got loads of patients but we were@#$%&on Monday and worse today. We lack quality in areas, I'm not being negative just realistic. Well done aldershot 👏853OKGQuote:oh, for heaven's sake. Alder shot are now 3rd so hardly a bad team. I would have thought a long time rover would have more patience , I have been following them for over 50 years. Still, there are a lot on here who aren't happy unless complaining. Note the lack of posts on the manager of month thread.....LongTimeRover
Rubbish. Last 2 games awful we need to add more depth in midfield LB snd RB simply not good enough and a wake up call to all who think we'll @#$%& this league
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 20:26
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we got going after 20 minutes of so!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: ming05 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 21:15
Well the game that the moaners have been waiting for has happened.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 21:33
Quote:sorry don't agree with that. I personally don't think this defeat is a good thing in any sense. Also rather than relieve any pressure I feel it will do the opposite and heap it on in bucketloads. Aldershot are clearly a decent side and have made a good solid start so in that sense you could say this was our first test against a potential rival and by everything I've heard and read we were found wanting. Ok their 3rd sounded like a worldy by a center back and you can't really compensate for that but the fact we were again low scoring is a massive concern for me. I will say we look like we are capable of imoroving on last seasons total and getting a play off spot and of course that would be fantastic but if we have to spend the season watching 1 or 2 pull away I fear the any feel good factor will dissipate. Tranmere as an attacking unit are clearly off the pace compared to the other pace setters. To much emphasis on defence is perhaps shackeling any creativity. Who knows but I will say I'm only being 'negative' as I have genuine concerns about our progression from last season.Phil65Quote:2 the moon
Are some people really suggesting that this defeat is somehow a good thing as it relieves the pressure. And I'm not having the chesnut that it gives a reality check for those who thought we would walk the league. Nobody on here thought we would walk the league.
I defended Brabin to the hilt last season and also defended finishing outside the play offs. So I'm not someone who goes into meltdown after one result.
However I and a few on here have dared to question how much we have actually progressed. A great start no doubt but all last seasons problems are staring some of us in the face. Lack of goals, extremely laboured in the final third, and against sides that are very well organised a tendency to run out of ideas very quickly. I could go on. There's plenty of teams that will win 5 on the run in this league so I personally never got to carried away. Least playing more narrow made us hard to score against but for some reason that sounded like it was abandoned today. In my opinion our luck ran out today and coupled with poor tactics exposed our team and manager big time.
It's a good thing in the sense that it stops the quotes of "we're top of the league", "we're unbeaten" which deflects the focus away from some of the performances and any progress that has been made. I actually agree with your observations about lack of goals, being laboured and running out of ideas. Still too early to make judgements about our final position in the league as we have a tough road ahead but certainly room for improvement. On another point, honest appraisals being called a meltdown seems a bit dramatic as posters have been expressing concerns consistently, even when winning, if you agree with them or not.
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: kennyspint (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 21:39
Quote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 22:17
Quote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2016 22:47
Quote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: LifesFullOfUpsAndDowns (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 00:18
Quote:apart from winning 6 drawing 1 and losing one of first 8', no we haven't done better than last season.2 the moon
Same old, same old. yes we've won 6 but we have not progressed from last season one bit
Re: What a wonderful day[and a bit]-not
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 03:13
We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes
Those of us who went by train got absolutely soaked/drowned walking back to the station even though it is only ten minutes from the ground. If the deluge had come half an hour earlier,the match may well have been abandoned.
Then to cap it all,there was a major signalling failure near Wembley which caused mayhem on all the trains and resulted in me getting back 4 and a half hours late having been sat on the train[s] virtually all of that time,arriving back at 0137 instead of 2115 and back home at ten past two.
Why was Norwood playing deep left midfield for that period? Why did Mekki play in the centre -he was atrocious and contributed nothing.Why did we have 3 players booked for dissent and two of them fortunate not to get second yellows?
Is Vaughan injured or dropped?
We were miles better than the last two games but it just didn't work. We deserved something but got nothing.
Haven't read the other posts yet as am too knackered although I ehavebeen told that the usual culprits elsewhere have been laying into the manager. The main thing I would say is substitutes far too late again,Mekki[atrocious] why in the middle and Norwood why at left midfield
Those of us who went by train got absolutely soaked/drowned walking back to the station even though it is only ten minutes from the ground. If the deluge had come half an hour earlier,the match may well have been abandoned.
Then to cap it all,there was a major signalling failure near Wembley which caused mayhem on all the trains and resulted in me getting back 4 and a half hours late having been sat on the train[s] virtually all of that time,arriving back at 0137 instead of 2115 and back home at ten past two.
Why was Norwood playing deep left midfield for that period? Why did Mekki play in the centre -he was atrocious and contributed nothing.Why did we have 3 players booked for dissent and two of them fortunate not to get second yellows?
Is Vaughan injured or dropped?
We were miles better than the last two games but it just didn't work. We deserved something but got nothing.
Haven't read the other posts yet as am too knackered although I ehavebeen told that the usual culprits elsewhere have been laying into the manager. The main thing I would say is substitutes far too late again,Mekki[atrocious] why in the middle and Norwood why at left midfield
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 09:32
There are far too many emotive and sweeping judgements made of fellow posters. Moaners seems to be used to embrace anyone who suggests that flaws have been apparent even when winning.Likewise,whilst there may be a few posters that take glee in a Rovers defeat,these will be very few in number.
We may well have played well for part of today,but there has been an undercurrent of issues that sits across games and across results. I always thought that we were right when we initially released both full backs and was never convinced when both were subsequently offered contracts.Likewise with Jennings.
I take Deadlys pint about playing with wingers in this game but for me there is a deeper question and that is the effectiveness of Mekki.To my mind he deceives to flatter and far too often there is no final ball of quality for our strikers.
At this level most clubs will have flaws and it doesn't mean that we cannot challenge for promotion. If there is a reality check in the last few games it is a reminder that a run of wins does not mean all is right and nor does a period of stumbling mean all is wrong but it does show that there is both scope for improvement and grounds for being concerned.
We may well have played well for part of today,but there has been an undercurrent of issues that sits across games and across results. I always thought that we were right when we initially released both full backs and was never convinced when both were subsequently offered contracts.Likewise with Jennings.
I take Deadlys pint about playing with wingers in this game but for me there is a deeper question and that is the effectiveness of Mekki.To my mind he deceives to flatter and far too often there is no final ball of quality for our strikers.
At this level most clubs will have flaws and it doesn't mean that we cannot challenge for promotion. If there is a reality check in the last few games it is a reminder that a run of wins does not mean all is right and nor does a period of stumbling mean all is wrong but it does show that there is both scope for improvement and grounds for being concerned.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Kenny_Crons (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 10:00
Great post Devon because it has that key ingredient of perspective in it.
Re: What a wonderful day[and a bit]-not
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 10:29
Quote:Hoots Mon
We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes
Completely agree with this Hoots. Annoying that we took 20 minutes to wake up and get going but boy were we good when we did!
After that a stupid foul by Maynard that he didn't need to do for the Penalty and a great goal that only goes in once in every 100 efforts was the difference!
Sorry to hear about the train as well. I knew some guys who were also on the train and still hadn't left Euston by about 9pm.
It was no better on the roads though. We went via the M25 where we were stuck for an hour then a stoppage on the M6 followed by a total closure which we avoided by coming off.
Coupled with my half hour drive home from Prenton Park when I was dropped off I was home just the right side of 11pm!
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Re: What a wonderful day[and a bit]-not
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 11:19
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:Hoots Mon
We undeservedly got beat after playing as well between minutes 30-70 as any time I've seen this season.We were awful for first 30 minutes
Completely agree with this Hoots. Annoying that we took 20 minutes to wake up and get going but boy were we good when we did!
After that a stupid foul by Maynard that he didn't need to do for the Penalty and a great goal that only goes in once in every 100 efforts was the difference!
Sorry to hear about the train as well. I knew some guys who were also on the train and still hadn't left Euston by about 9pm.
It was no better on the roads though. We went via the M25 where we were stuck for an hour then a stoppage on the M6 followed by a total closure which we avoided by coming off.
Coupled with my half hour drive home from Prenton Park when I was dropped off I was home just the right side of 11pm!
We were due to leave Euston at 7-20,eventually left at 9-40,took another hour and a quarter to get past Wembley,got diverted through Northampton,took two and a half hours to get to Rugby and had extra stops added on.
I knew as soon as they introduced somebody called Iffy that it might be and it was......
''Emotive and sweeping judgements'' as I have said before -I say it as I see it.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 11:21
I noticed Iffy coming on! It got us talking about Iffy Onuora!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 11:57
Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: scousetaff (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 12:05
Quote from the Aldershot site:-
They seem like a big up and under team.. Exemplified by the, shall we say rather overweight elderly centre back... He and the little fella who took the yellow seem susceptable to balls played along the floor.. hope garys noticed as theres goals there.. Cant beleive this lot are top but I spose they played the top teams yet...
I tend to agree with this. ( course he means haven't played the top teams yet ).
I think we might come unstuck against Lincoln too - hoping to be proved wrong.
They seem like a big up and under team.. Exemplified by the, shall we say rather overweight elderly centre back... He and the little fella who took the yellow seem susceptable to balls played along the floor.. hope garys noticed as theres goals there.. Cant beleive this lot are top but I spose they played the top teams yet...
I tend to agree with this. ( course he means haven't played the top teams yet ).
I think we might come unstuck against Lincoln too - hoping to be proved wrong.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 12:17
Speaking to other fans alot say we are well known as a long ball team
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:04
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Results performances and points from last weekend were not ok -should have been six points without doubt. Yesterdays performance was miles better. We did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty which occurred during an absolute deluge. Norwood playing left midfield first half hour particularly was ridiculous but even more so was the inclusion of Mekki at all. If he doesn't play on the wing,he contributes nothing and I'm not even sure about him when he does play there.
Maynard should be back in defensive midfield although,apart from the penalty,he was one of our best performers yesterday.
It was actually a pretty good game. unfortunately it went their way.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:07
Quote:Old Rover
Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement
Hold on? This is what I've been saying since the season started and now you're flipping it the other way cos we lost?
All season when we hadn't lost a game and played quite well at times people wanted more and yet now cos we have lost and given people something to moan about, a positive performance doesn't matter - even though that's what people have been crying out for?
I can't take this baffling logic any longer it's blown my head.
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Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:09
Quote:2 the moonQuote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:10
Quote:Hoots MonQuote:2 the moonQuote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
Agreed Hoots
We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:19
Quote:TRFCJGregz
Wasn't at the Aldershot game but here are some thoughts.
It is one defeat so let's keep it in perspective and see how Brabin and the team respond to the set back. We could see Aldershot in a different light if the team respond well and string together some wins.
However, there have been warning signs this was coming. We were poor against Southport and only able to beat Guiseley by one goal. The big problem is we're not scoring enough goals!
When Gary Johnson took over at Cheltenham in March 2015 he went on record that his first priority was to bring in goal scorers because you need about 100 goals to win automatic promotion from this league. Brabin did well in the summer with his transfers but the team doesn't seem to be clicking. Is it formation? Is it man management? Who knows.
Here are some thoughts,
- Our tempo in matches appears to be too slow. Teams playing against us have time to get themselves organised. Just think back to the 1st half display vs. Southport.
- Brabin seems to use substitutes very late in the game. This means they have very little time to come on and impact the game.
- We always seem to be looking for the perfect ball and take one touch too many and make one pass too many. One of the culprits is Norwood.
- Just an opinion but Norwood seems to be a bit lethargic now he's been asked to move out wide to accommodate Cooky. Not much tracking back which you need when you play 4-3-3 otherwise the 3 in midfield can get over run.
- After a great start Connor Jennings' form seems to have dipped. Don't know why!
Connor Jennings was much better yesterday
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: 2 the moon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:36
Quote:fair enough Hoots you were at the game so you are in a better position than me. I did say seemingly for all the usual reasons based on what I've heard and the radio coverage. Reasons such as not scoring more than 1 goal. Players out of position as you pointed etcHoots MonQuote:2 the moonQuote:That's fair enough sub. You watched the game and are clearly in a better position to point to the fact we played better today. But my point would be we had to. Those to Bank holiday games were against very poor oposition imo. Two teams that have 5 points between them and look inctesingly like relegation material and indeed cannon fodder to anyone with genuine aspirations this season. Today was different we played a potential rival and a team also in a vein of form and we got turned over seemingly for all the usual reasons.Deadly SubmarineQuote:kennyspintQuote:Sorry deadly I love this site and it's down to you but really the weekend four points are ok when we were poor and zero points today are ok because we weren't so poor ???Deadly Submarine
We were far better today than in either of the two Bank Holiday games once we gt going after 20 minutes of so!
It's about results and points and last weekend we got two decent results and four points which makes hem irrelevant in this.
My point about today was that we played better than in those two games which people who didn't go today seem to be either avoiding or not willing to listen to any other view from those who were there.
We did not get turned over ''for all the usual reasons'' at all. We played well apart from the firat twenty to thirty minutes and did not deserve to lose. It all turned on the penalty-if people who didn't go don't believe that,so be it. Other than shrug my shoulders there's not much else I can say.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Old Rover (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:41
Quote:No, you've been saying it does'nt matter if you play badly as long as you win. so equally it does'nt if you play well if you lose. As you've said it's a results gameDeadly SubmarineQuote:Old Rover
Does it really make any difference if we played well, we lost 3-1. To me it is more of a worry when we play a good side and play well but still lose. Is GB making the same mistake as last season by playing players out of position, Mekki in the middle.Maynard at right back, Nors out wide. I'm asking a question not making a statement
Hold on? This is what I've been saying since the season started and now you're flipping it the other way cos we lost?
All season when we hadn't lost a game and played quite well at times people wanted more and yet now cos we have lost and given people something to moan about, a positive performance doesn't matter - even though that's what people have been crying out for?
I can't take this baffling logic any longer it's blown my head.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:44
The performance is irrelevant its the result that counts, which is what all us "Negative moaners" have been told past week or so. The result is we lost. We CAN loose games and win the league about 7 I reckon so we mark. still have 6 in the bag approaching the 1/4 way. Rovers have never done anything the easy way and imploding is certainly not a trait of just GBs teams, even the great mans blue an white army did it the hard was. Promoted through playoffs and runner up spots, even going to extra time to beat Bolton. Top of second division at Christmas and ending up in the playoffs loosing against Swindon and missing the Premier League. Its what Tranmere Rovers do.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 14:51
Which emphasises my point about why people have been complaining about performances when we got the results? Or does it only work one way?
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Phil65 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 15:43
Quote:Deadly Submarine
Which emphasises my point about why people have been complaining about performances when we got the results? Or does it only work one way?
I guess it's baffling to some because you've defended the results when the performances weren't great, now you're defending the performance now the result's not great. Some will question does it always have to be positive (sorry you did criticise Mekki, again, and did question about changing a winning team so a hint of negativity creeps in immediately after a negative result). I guess we all have time to take stock. Is it a results game or is it a performance game? Whatever slant we take on it we lost, full stop. If we play well and lost 3-1 this could well be deemed as worrying.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: bumhobo33 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 16:03
Have just seen the highlights online...can anyone who was there explain what happened on the penalty with Davies, he seemed fired up before the kick and looked to receive a card as well. A lot of huffing and puffing from him before the shot.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 17:20
Quote:bumhobo33
Have just seen the highlights online...can anyone who was there explain what happened on the penalty with Davies, he seemed fired up before the kick and looked to receive a card as well. A lot of huffing and puffing from him before the shot.
I was quite a distance away but from where I was sat it looked like he was doing his damndest to put the penalty taker off
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Hoots Mon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 17:32
Quote:Higgosboots
The performance is irrelevant its the result that counts, which is what all us "Negative moaners" have been told past week or so. The result is we lost. We CAN loose games and win the league about 7 I reckon so we mark. still have 6 in the bag approaching the 1/4 way. Rovers have never done anything the easy way and imploding is certainly not a trait of just GBs teams, even the great mans blue an white army did it the hard was. Promoted through playoffs and runner up spots, even going to extra time to beat Bolton. Top of second division at Christmas and ending up in the playoffs loosing against Swindon and missing the Premier League. Its what Tranmere Rovers do.
I like many others voiced my discontent at the Southport and Guiseley performances and do not think it's irrelevant because we ''got the result''[well we did against Guiseley anyway-Southport was appalling].Yesterday it was a decent game which turned on the penalty but which we played much much better than the previous two. But we lost so technically you are correct. The result is all that will show in the records-it is the cynical be all and end all.Having been there,I probably have a different viewpoint because I know how it happened and how we played.I remember my day out in Aldershot[for a number of reasons as outlined earlier]but not being entertained is not one of them.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 19:56
Are we top of the league still no. So our results have not been as good as FGR. Now we start to play some of the better teams. If we don't start to score more goals we are going struggle as I'm sure the other teams are going to put some past us. Also I'm not having this rubbish that teams give 110% against us and not in any other games, for me that's just a cop out.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: TT Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 20:09
We've had the same results as Forest Green as we are level? Jeez
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2016 20:23
Technically not as there goals difference is superior so they've had better results. By the By I do think we will win the league at a canter too, from what I've seen so far we've had one good game against Eastleigh where we looked a real side, everything else I've seen has been a little bit iffy yet we are level on points with a FGR, who's hoof ball will eventually mean they come unstuck, good for playoffs but can't see them winning it, still can't see past us for that.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Fiftyyearsarover (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2016 08:22
Don't agree with higgosboots .we will not win this League at a canter .we might make the playoffs ,we will only do that because of some poor sides in this league, the likes of Lincoln are about 10goals ahead on GD even York city have scored 4twice. l admire the diehards on here who actually think we are a good side we are not and we are about to be found out, we are better than last season but the same problems are starting to emerge, our so called top strike force for some reason are not getting enough goals we need to convert more chances, the long ball is not for us to many big defenders in this league it's like head tennis some games .I appreciate other opinions and views but I gave up my rose tinted glasses years ago,higgosboots is spot on we only do things the hard way should be another nail biting season
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: pez (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2016 11:32
I think the fairest and most sensible thing to do is see how the team reacts to this defeat?
Surely it's a wake up call and I'm sure a few of them will be gutted by this defeat?
Let's draw a line under this and start another run, but ensure that we learn from the 3 previous below parr performances and try to show just how good this group of players actually are!
Too soon to be doom & gloom merchants, it's one defeat, as long as they put it right next time out then we have to get behind them.
Surely it's a wake up call and I'm sure a few of them will be gutted by this defeat?
Let's draw a line under this and start another run, but ensure that we learn from the 3 previous below parr performances and try to show just how good this group of players actually are!
Too soon to be doom & gloom merchants, it's one defeat, as long as they put it right next time out then we have to get behind them.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2016 11:49
Let's not forget it's impossible to perform to your maximum all the time in sport, all performers and sides peak and trough. It's how you deal with the troughs that count, even Barca peak and trough. I really feared for how we would cope when the gap in games grew to weekly as opposed every 3 days because we were on such a role and a clear peak, the worst teams we could have played after the first 7 day gap was Southport, Chester or Wrexham, local derby. We've picke up 4 from 9 in our trough so far, not too bad 6 from 9 would have been ideal though.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: hong kong rover (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2016 12:58
have seen the goals from Saturday on you tube. ive never been to the recreation ground but having seen it on tv many times before, one thing I will say is that their ground has hardly changed over the years.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: trfc92 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2016 13:33
10 months away from home unbeaten was always going to come to an end at some point, great form. Joint top in the league. Not all doom and gloom. Unlucky lads we go again Saturday!
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: LifesFullOfUpsAndDowns (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2016 17:18
I have just looked through the last 10 years of National League tables. In general, the team being promoted won 28-31 games. The losses range from 5 to 11.
The travesty that is the playoff system hit Wrexham when Fleetwood were promoted having won 31 to Wrexham's 30, and despite Wrexham being 15 points better off than third place, York got through the playoffs from fourth.
So, we are currently on target for 30 wins but so are a few others. Consistency is key. That was lacking last season. if trends continue it looks like another season where the potential champions will have had to win 30 plus games. Hopefully this season the home form will be much improved.
The travesty that is the playoff system hit Wrexham when Fleetwood were promoted having won 31 to Wrexham's 30, and despite Wrexham being 15 points better off than third place, York got through the playoffs from fourth.
So, we are currently on target for 30 wins but so are a few others. Consistency is key. That was lacking last season. if trends continue it looks like another season where the potential champions will have had to win 30 plus games. Hopefully this season the home form will be much improved.
Re: Match 8 Discussion: Aldershot (A)
Posted by: Higgosboots (IP Logged)
Date: 06/09/2016 18:16
Quote:853OKG
I have just looked through the last 10 years of National League tables. In general, the team being promoted won 28-31 games. The losses range from 5 to 11.
The travesty that is the playoff system hit Wrexham when Fleetwood were promoted having won 31 to Wrexham's 30, and despite Wrexham being 15 points better off than third place, York got through the playoffs from fourth.
So, we are currently on target for 30 wins but so are a few others. Consistency is key. That was lacking last season. if trends continue it looks like another season where the potential champions will have had to win 30 plus games. Hopefully this season the home form will be much improved.
Agreed, I reckon if we loose 7 draw seven that should do it.
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